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Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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$100 to go to the movies for a family of four. No thanks. There’s no mystery why the movies are dying. They’ve priced themselves out and then they give away the product on streaming several months later anyways. If they want theaters to come back then they’ll have to put movies behind a paywall again.

And its $100 minimum... at least in NYC. Right now its 20-25 a head and that doesn't include transportation or food.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

#52
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To stay afloat they have to raise ticket prices, but if we’re paying so much What are you paying when you go to the cinema? Just went to the cinema today to see Hoppers, and was slightly surprised that the tickets were only 8 EUR per person, then we spent maybe 5-10 EUR per person on snacks too, so ended up paying maybe ~15 EUR per person overall. This was outside a metropolitan city in South-Western Europe, maybe…

Just checked AMC - $18.50 in the app for a normal adult ticket. ($16 + $2.50 fee for using the app). An icee and popcorn would be ballpark $18 as well.

About the same where I am. A matinee used to be cheap, now it’s the price you said, and more like 20 for the full price show.

You don’t have to pay the app “convenience fee” but they added assigned seats to pressure you to do so. If you wait till the day of and buy on the big kiosk in the lobby, what if all the good seats are gone? (Hint: they won’t be, the theaters are always mostly empty)

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

#53

My 2c: They should stop concentrating on appealing to the broadest audience. Formulaic heros' journeys, franchises, predictable characters acted by the same narrow set of the the most-attractive people etc. Safety and mass-market appeal over creativity. For contrast: Books, non-AAA video games, and movies from smaller studios still produce high-quality, creative efforts I continue to be excited about. Big-budget movi…

Except that pretty much as soon as movies started being made, people have said this about movies :)

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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post #7

$100 to go to the movies for a family of four. No thanks. There’s no mystery why the movies are dying. They’ve priced themselves out and then they give away the product on streaming several months later anyways. If they want theaters to come back then they’ll have to put movies behind a paywall again.

I doubt increasing the price of their goods will work when the supply of alternative ways to spend time at almost zero cost is near infinite.

You’re probably right. Big franchises would survive, a bunch of people would pay modestly for each new Marvel movie if it were never coming to streaming. But the films that do still exist that have no marketing, would probably do even worse without having any streaming release.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

#57

I haven't been in cinema in the past ~10 years and to be honest I wouldn't care if no more movies were ever made, simply because there are hundreds, if not thousands, amazing movies made since the beginning of the cinema that I didn't watch. Most of the new movies are crap anyways, so why waste time and money when I can watch a classic movie instead which has a much higher probability of me enyjoing it.

The same argument could be made for the book industry, where there are centuries of content available. And yet, people still read new books.

It often is made, an the vast majority of new books are slop

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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post #35
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The optimistic viewpoint is that maybe new AI production tools will trigger a re-democratization of creative movies I don't think so. Part of the downfall of movies -- blockbusters movies anyway, the kind where being a box office hit matters -- is that they have seemed produced like AI slop even before AI. Making it easier to produce more slop isn't going to fix this. Then there's one thing making noise in my brain…

Anton Ego in Ratatouille gives this take on what democratization should mean: Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere.

That's a pretty good take, I think.

What I object to is this notion that everyone should make art, and that AI empowers them. As in (and yes, I've read this, I'm not making this up) "people without writing skills can now write novels". That seems wrong to me. People without writing skills (or drawing, or movie making) should not be making those things.

Re: Hollywood Enters Oscars Weekend in Existential Crisis

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post #43
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The optimistic viewpoint is that maybe new AI production tools will trigger a re-democratization of creative movies I don't think so. Part of the downfall of movies -- blockbusters movies anyway, the kind where being a box office hit matters -- is that they have seemed produced like AI slop even before AI. Making it easier to produce more slop isn't going to fix this. Then there's one thing making noise in my brain…

In the end people have limited number of hours to watch content, and only a few things bubble up to the popular attention. What I meant is that I don't see truly indie-produced feature films reach the zeitgeist anymore. I don't mean AI slop, but the next gen of creative tools that will allow people to make cool and creative and compelling stuff without the backing of 100's of millions of dollars. It seems like movies…

> What I meant is that I don't see truly indie-produced feature films reach the zeitgeist anymore.

Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe word of mouth from among those in your circle of friends that have good taste is enough. I'm not sure that blockbuster cinema reaching millions is tenable, or a good thing.

As for "watching content"... yuck, I hate the word "content".

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