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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by smegger001 »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It is Larry Ellison doing. He has been lobbying and trying to push the US and UK towards it for the last 20 plus years with plans on controlling the database and infrastructure behind it.

https://thedreydossier.substack.com/p/the-billionaire-behind...

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Post by PeterStuer »

karlgkk wrote: post #450
prohobo wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

> Obviously, it's not for protecting children Frankly, this is false. There's a lot of well intentioned people writing these laws and pushing for them. > Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. However, it is also this. And that's not a tradeoff I think we should make as a society.

"well intentioned people"

I believe the standard nomenclature is "useful idiots".

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by buckle8017 »

karlgkk wrote: post #450
prohobo wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

> Obviously, it's not for protecting children Frankly, this is false. There's a lot of well intentioned people writing these laws and pushing for them. > Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. However, it is also this. And that's not a tradeoff I think we should make as a society.

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by sanderjd »

karlgkk wrote: post #450
prohobo wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

> Obviously, it's not for protecting children Frankly, this is false. There's a lot of well intentioned people writing these laws and pushing for them. > Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. However, it is also this. And that's not a tradeoff I think we should make as a society.

Well said. Yeah. Well intentioned things can still result in bad outcomes.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by jollymonATX »

microtonal wrote: post #358
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

Why are you giving your children access to any devices, online services, video games, social media?

Seriously. There are mountains of evidence all of this is harmful to developing brains.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by projektfu »

ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

This one seems to be attempting to provoke enforcement of the law against it.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Fervicus »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Also Australia and NZ.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by thayne »

subscribed wrote: post #403
thayne wrote: post #359

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To be clear, I don't agree with these laws and think they are very much the wrong way to try to solve the problem. But it is not a solved problem. From what I've seen parental control software is generally pretty terrible. But this age verification stuff isn't really helpful.

It's a solved problem with a slightly flawed implementation on the end devices. You seem to be arguing that introducing the whole new class of legal frameworks, technical requirements and privacy scandals(1)(2) is somewhat better than fixing the end user software flaws. (1) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/1-billion-identity-rec... (2) https://proton.me/blog/discord-age-verfication-breach

I am not arguing for that at all!

I specifically said that I don't think age verification laws are a solution.

But I also don't think it is a solved problem, and think that parents need better tools to help protect their children online.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by thayne »

whatshisface wrote: post #380
thayne wrote: post #376

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I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income. I think ideally most families should be able to survive on the income of one parent, regardless of which parent that is. But I'm not sure how to get there, although I think the problem is closely tied to wealth inequality. I also think in a better wor…

> I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income. While shadowy special interest groups and large corporations are able to write text directly into the laws of anglophone countries, The People can't even talk about one instance without fragmenting into a trillion pieces covering topics such as the…

I don't disagree with you about affordability of housing. I just don't think that that by itself is sufficient to solve the problem of households needing two incomes.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by croes »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

> Parenting and parental control applications.

You have no clue what children. It’s by far not a solved problem

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