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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by rowanG077 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #357
k33n wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The left wing constantly says “we started letting women work”. Women have worked for thousands of years. The phenomenon of manipulating women into believing working for a corporation is some kind of “higher calling” is relatively new, and it’s been a disaster for the family unit.

We can distinguish these two things, right? One is that people tell women it's good to work for a corporation, some of them believe that to be true and choose to do it, the others retain and exercise the option to do something else. The other is that we set up an artificial scarcity treadmill so that if some families have two incomes, they outbid the ones that don't on life necessities and then women have to take a j…

Well the first naturally led to the other. So you can distinguish them, but they are not separate.

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Post by izacus »

ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

Because despite the screeching, having good parental controls standardized across distros and OSS software is an idea that benefits Linux as a whole.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by lesostep »

rkeene2 wrote: post #127
toast0 wrote: post #81

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The text of the law says: > 1798.501. (a) An operating system provider shall do all of the following: > (1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store. [And some other stuff]. A simple…

To me, the biggest issue is that it seems to think of computers as something you use while being near and having only one user at a time accessing, where computers you use might be far away and have thousands of people accessing them per day with hundreds of concurrent users and tens of thousands of accounts. If you don't intentionally allow accounts access to any app stores, do you still need to collect the data ? I…

That an issue to you, I, personally, love the idea of submitting my ID to McDonald's kiosk before ordering.

Maybe that would finally push them to make kiosks that run entirely without OS. I expect a big enough Rube Goldberg machine could do the task if not as efficiently, then at least in a more entertaining way.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by cultofmetatron »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

They don't like what happened to their PR for what they did in gaza and they want to get ahead of the curve and stop us from seeing what they are going to do in IRAN without their SPIN.

Its a poison pull to lay down the infrastructure for controlling narrative on the internet

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by izacus »

kimixa wrote: post #189
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121

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> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

There's no (state) school giving out tablets that aren't pretty much single-use locked down devices. That's the parents. The expectation that "Parenting" is now outsourced to Teachers, to the Government, to anyone else. People seem to expect they just have a kid, and somehow magically they'll grow up to be a perfect person without any work from themselves. So there's over-reach, there's pressure on making "unworkable…

You're talking about a solved problem and a few comments down there's a bunch of people in this very comment thread losing their minds about Linux devs working on implementing parental controls.

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Post by thayne »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #346
palmotea wrote: post #317

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> The expectation that "Parenting" is now outsourced to Teachers, to the Government, to anyone else. People seem to expect they just have a kid, and somehow magically they'll grow up to be a perfect person without any work from themselves. So there's over-reach, there's pressure on making "unworkable" soutions, because the people they're trying to force "solving" the problem aren't the people in the best position to…

> Yeah, because the parent's time is now dedicated to their employers. When parenting wasn't outsourced, families typically had a parent at home doing it. This seems to imply that the problem is that we started letting women work, but I suspect the actual problem is back to restrictive zoning again. If you let people actually build housing, and then some people have two incomes, they use the extra money to build a bi…

I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income.

I think ideally most families should be able to survive on the income of one parent, regardless of which parent that is. But I'm not sure how to get there, although I think the problem is closely tied to wealth inequality.

I also think in a better world, it would be practical for both parents to work, but work fewer hours, each working 20 hours a week. But in the US at least that generally isn't practical because most such jobs don't provide health insurance or retirement plans, and are typically very low paying jobs.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by bloppe »

izacus wrote: post #372
ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

Because despite the screeching, having good parental controls standardized across distros and OSS software is an idea that benefits Linux as a whole.

Having good parental controls would be nice. Unfortunately that does not describe AB 1043

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Post by thayne »

slavik81 wrote: post #347
SoftTalker wrote: post #260

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Exactly. We've completely lost (actually never had it) any social responsibility on the part of the social media/tech companies. Before we had the internet and all these apps and devices, parents looked after what their kids did but could also pretty much rely on other businesses to not do things like sell their kids cigarettes or pornography, let them in to R-rated movies, or expose them to other age-inappropriate s…

It's understandable that parents are upset, but tech companies are not the ones harmed by these laws. When we've outlawed privacy, it will be the public who suffers.

In fact the big tech companies are involved in creating these laws.

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Post by crummy »

martin-t wrote: post #230
raincole wrote: post #216

The California law is actually the best form of age verification one can imagine. It only requires the OS to let the user to 'signal' their age. In other words, it's more like a checkbox asking if you're older than 18, instead of scanning your face or driving license. It doesn't require a cloud account either. Storing the ages the user inputted in /etc/ages besides /etc/passed and providing an API to read it is compl…

Because people don't have real power, it's all indirect through politicians who are manipulated or paid by professionals. Democracy should be direct and the gating function shouldn't be age but a test of intelligence, logical reasoning, general knowledge and ability to detect manipulation.

People want age restrictions on social media; this seems like politicians enacting the will of their constituents

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by whatshisface »

thayne wrote: post #376
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, because the parent's time is now dedicated to their employers. When parenting wasn't outsourced, families typically had a parent at home doing it. This seems to imply that the problem is that we started letting women work, but I suspect the actual problem is back to restrictive zoning again. If you let people actually build housing, and then some people have two incomes, they use the extra money to build a bi…

I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income. I think ideally most families should be able to survive on the income of one parent, regardless of which parent that is. But I'm not sure how to get there, although I think the problem is closely tied to wealth inequality. I also think in a better wor…

>I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income.

While shadowy special interest groups and large corporations are able to write text directly into the laws of anglophone countries, The People can't even talk about one instance without fragmenting into a trillion pieces covering topics such as the affordability of housing.

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