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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #296
coldtea wrote: post #257

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I'm talking about both parents and schools: the technical solution exists. If parents/schools don't want to implement it, that's on them. This answers your objection A and B. C is also a non-probem with a trivial fix, as I showed. What we're discussing is whether age verification is needed. Based on the existence of other, perfectly fine solutions, it's not. "But schools don't bother implementing those other solution…

> If parents/schools don't want to implement it, that's on them Well that's not much of a solution is it now? More like an attempt that we all can see will fail. Harm reduction is not the same as a solution.

But it is an argument against age restrictions since you could just as easily pass a law that instead required schools to enable various filters. You could even require mainstream devices from major manufacturers to support certain filtering standards. And you could require websites to send self categorization headers.

There is no valid argument for why ID checks are necessary if the goal is simply to get filtering implemented in places such as schools.

If instead the goal is to entirely prohibit all children from using social networks regardless of parental consent then it makes sense. It also makes sense if the goal is actually to violate privacy or something similarly sinister.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #188
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #151

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> > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. > The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. Just to be clear - do you not understand that a parent might be parenting, but some times their children is in care of a school? Your focus on "a technical solution exists" is missing the real issue here, and it's not a technical one.

>but some times their children is in care of a school? And not only that but some of those times are dinner break, on a school campus with a thousand other kids and barely any supervision. Even if phones are banned, it's easy to hide one and for a child to be showing their friends unhinged stuff they found on 4chan. And some of those times are on a bus carrying at least 50 kids when they're 'supervised' only by a dri…

> Even if phones are banned, it's easy to hide one and for a child to be showing their friends unhinged stuff they found on 4chan.

Age verification doesn't solve that though.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by imiric »

tosti wrote: post #434
whatshisface wrote: post #382

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I estimate we have two to three years in the English-speaking world to organize an effective lobby for the rights of the common man before changes to the speech environment and habitual methods of communication make it impossible. There's less than a year before the wave of lock-downs reaches normal internet users through announced policies like the Android software installation ban and through the growing effectiven…

The cloudflare thing is insane. Like overnight a while ago, normal everyday websites are suddenly inaccessible (yes I have JS on, no it won't work.) Sometimes only the first page loads. Can't complain to CF either, because that too is walled off by their non-functional robot detector.

This serves as a two-way filter for me. Any website I'm not allowed to access is not worth accessing. I'll take my attention and business to where I'm wanted instead.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

saturnite wrote: post #400
prohobo wrote: post #385

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I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

If this goes through, I wouldn't be surprised if facial recognition ends up being the "solution" to the problems this creates. I walked to get a sandwich today and I counted no less than ten cameras along the way. On an unrelated note, I'm thinking of taking up a laser hobby.

High power lasers reflect in unpredictable ways thereby endangering everyone around you. There are other options that don't risk bodily harm.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

prohobo wrote: post #399
microtonal wrote: post #358

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Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

The addiction economy is hard to deal with for anyone - regardless of age. So, I agree this is definitely not a solved problem, but from what I see the only viable way forward is actually to do pretty drastic things like not own a smartphone.

You can remove most objectionable elements with uBlock filters. Also dedicated browser extensions exist to deal with the biggest offenders.

If you're willing to use alternatives and do without the services entirely then simply DNS blocking a handful of big names on your LAN immediately resolves the majority of the issue.

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Post by Qwertious »

duxup wrote: post #368
microtonal wrote: post #358

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Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

It’s not a parental controls / software problem. It’s a parents showing self control / parenting and monitoring their children in person thing.

So you want all parents to be helicopter parents?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by 20after4 »

anon_shill wrote: post #445
20after4 wrote: post #339

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This reddit thread¹ details thoroughly the connection to Meta (Facebook) and to a lesser extent Discord as being behind the push in the US. 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...

Did you read it? It does neither of those things. It establishes that Meta is fighting to amend these regulatory bills to push onus onto operating systems and Discord isn’t named once in the OP.

Your username is appropriate.

From rfk: “Rep. Kim Carver (R-Bossier City), the sponsor of Louisiana's HB-570, publicly confirmed that a Meta lobbyist brought the legislative language directly to her. “

That’s more than fighting to amend. I’m not sure where I got the discord connection but I thought it was from that link. I’ve read a few things on this subject recently so I may have mixed up two different sources.

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Post by enoint »

ArchieScrivener wrote: post #408
sobjornstad wrote: post #252

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Relevant: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/last-rights

>not less than 40,000 It was originally 30,000 but was changed, your author is using the updated version. Additionally, there is another way to change it. The Texas State Legislature. Texas is the only state with Congressional pre-approval to break up into 4 more states. 5 total without the need for congresses approval. Texas breaks up, then California and New York are heavily outnumbered in the Senate as each state…

But only for Texas, unique because its annexation limits the number of new Texian states to 5.

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Post by mikolajw »

bastawhiz wrote: post #285

This is kind of neat, but the site design is very obviously Claude's handiwork. Has anyone else noticed this very distinctive look, which is a dark mode site with semi transparent cards with a thin less transparent border, maybe ten pixels of border radius... In the last six months this has shown up everywhere . Tools at work look like it. Blogs look like it. It's inoffensive but imperfect, and when so many sites loo…

The style of the website reminds me of https://faircoding.com/ai/, which I suppose is an example of these recent LLM-generated websites you're talking about. It likewise has dark background and semi-transparent cards with thin non-transparent borders.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fc417fc802 »

lavela wrote: post #234
matthewfcarlson wrote: post #19

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Oh nice! I’ve been wanting to ask someone of your age, how was the Middle Miocene Climate Optimum?

It being Linux those would obviously be seconds so they are roughly half a year old.

Unless it represents seconds since the epoch which would make it a birthday - May 31st 1970.
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