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Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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post #34

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Bet you had some really deep human connection with that guy chatting to you from the Philippines.

You betray your ignorance of how parasocial OnlyFans and their ilk get. Yes, people get real connection out of it, whether its with who they think they're talking to or not. I think that connecting those people into a chat bot instead of a real human is depressing, and a bad thing for society, but you're welcome to disagree with that

It’s not a real connection. It’s completely invented in their mind. Probably more accurate to call it a delusion.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bet you had some really deep human connection with that guy chatting to you from the Philippines.

You betray your ignorance of how parasocial OnlyFans and their ilk get. Yes, people get real connection out of it, whether its with who they think they're talking to or not. I think that connecting those people into a chat bot instead of a real human is depressing, and a bad thing for society, but you're welcome to disagree with that

I'll admit. I' too old to 'get' OF.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

#73
post #59

Isn’t $2/hour a pretty high salary in Philliphines? This is skeezy (edit: fixing autocorrect’s sleepy), but then so is chatting with onlyfans models. It’s already a fake, paradoxical relationship and even that aspect is fake. It’s delusions on deceptions.

I have never seen sleepy used that way before.

I did a quick run of the numbers and it is rather hard to tell what the average hourly rate ìs. But it look a like if you went for four 40 hour weeks to get 320 it seems to be a little below the average pay for a call center operator.

In one sense this is a story of someone feeling bad about being paid to do something wrong.

It is not quite so simple when the reason why this happens is the income differential between countries makes it possible for people to be paid enough to put aside their ethics. That becomes easier when the processes is normalised so that they are not the only person making the same compromise.

Adding to the complexity of the situation is the fact that paying people like this puts money into the their economies and that can spur regional development to provide a higher pay level all round, causing the ethically dubious work to become less attractive.

In the very long term the only way to avoid the higher power of foreign weather from doing this is to balance incomes around the world. That requires accepting that the current wealthy countries cannot get cheap things by paying poorer people low wages, and that means having less for themselves.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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post #20

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To pay for a human connection, take someone out for a dinner, and foot the bill. At OnlyFans you're paying for a video feed, and computers are pretty good at producing convincing video feeds now.

>To pay for a human connection, take someone out for a dinner, and foot the bill. I'm married now, and never used any parasocial platform OnlyFans or another, but trivializing the problem of young adult loneliness is either ignorant or condescending. A large fraction of young males don't have anyone to "take out for a dinner", or at least have no idea how to initiate that. You may scoff at that, but I certainly would…

The solution to loneliness isn’t fake connections. And I think makes it even worse because fake friends don’t act like real people and make it harder to form real relationships with people who have their own desires and needs and aren’t just sycophants receiving pay.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

#75
post #55

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> because of the shame in admitting you fell for it. I would argue that the reason has more to do with our utter inability to create common sense laws regarding anything "sex".

Which goes back to the shame thing, really. Few people are willing to stand up and advocate for common sense laws because they don’t want to be associated with anything regarding sex. Politicians, whom are not generally noted for being averse to hiring sex workers, sure as hell don’t want to be advocating for them for fear of losing elections.

> Politicians [...] don’t want to be advocating for them for fear of losing elections.

This assumes that the politician plans and has a chance to become re-elected. If this is not the case, the arguments for not advocating for such laws become much less important for the respective politician.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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It appears a lot of people using OF are using it as a parasocial medium, not strictly for porn. They want to believe they're actually in touch with the performer and part of their lives to some degree.

Yes, and it's sad. I wish someone would create a business that profits from people forming actual connections with each other, but every opportunity has been displaced. Dating sites replaces meeting IRL, and foster superficial relationships anyway. Bars are passé. Social clubs, golf clubs, etc, seem to belong to a past generation. Social media killed the social part. The damage to society is real.

Meetup is kind of like that. I use it for ongoing hiking clubs and book clubs and movie clubs.

Comically, Facebook sort of serves this way as well by brining together hiking clubs and d&d groups.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

#77
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To pay for a human connection, take someone out for a dinner, and foot the bill. At OnlyFans you're paying for a video feed, and computers are pretty good at producing convincing video feeds now.

>To pay for a human connection, take someone out for a dinner, and foot the bill. I'm married now, and never used any parasocial platform OnlyFans or another, but trivializing the problem of young adult loneliness is either ignorant or condescending. A large fraction of young males don't have anyone to "take out for a dinner", or at least have no idea how to initiate that. You may scoff at that, but I certainly would…

Taking someone out for a dinner and footing the bill does not require you to be some cassanova. Escort services are a thing and honestly somewhat increasingly normalized. The latest chris hemsworth movie had him using an escort and didn't paint him as weird for it or anything, kind of just seemed like a gym membership or any other service the way it was casually broached (he played a certain healthy/rich/clean cut professional thief/perhaps even autistic character).

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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post #73
post #59

Isn’t $2/hour a pretty high salary in Philliphines? This is skeezy (edit: fixing autocorrect’s sleepy), but then so is chatting with onlyfans models. It’s already a fake, paradoxical relationship and even that aspect is fake. It’s delusions on deceptions.

I have never seen sleepy used that way before. I did a quick run of the numbers and it is rather hard to tell what the average hourly rate ìs. But it look a like if you went for four 40 hour weeks to get 320 it seems to be a little below the average pay for a call center operator. In one sense this is a story of someone feeling bad about being paid to do something wrong. It is not quite so simple when the reason why…

Sorry, autocorrect changed “skeezy” to “sleepy.” I think at the end of the comment, too. It wasn’t an immediate word or sentence change. I need to work harder to proof comments before posting. (Autocorrect changed “proof” to “prof” at the end of that sentence)

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

#79
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because of the shame in admitting you fell for it. I would argue that the reason has more to do with our utter inability to create common sense laws regarding anything "sex".

Which goes back to the shame thing, really. Few people are willing to stand up and advocate for common sense laws because they don’t want to be associated with anything regarding sex. Politicians, whom are not generally noted for being averse to hiring sex workers, sure as hell don’t want to be advocating for them for fear of losing elections.

Don't you think it also comes down to "exploitation" and not shame alone?

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Do we know if onlyfan is already training their own models with their user's content?

How could they not be? At $2 an hour they'd be leaving money on the table by not paying a tiny fraction of that for an LLM.

I don't think it's the platform paying the workers. I think they're third parties hired by the posters. Of course, OnlyFans itself could theoretically create and offer a service to replace them, but Fraud As A Service doesn't actually seem all that reliable as a business model.
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