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E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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> I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Switch to decentralized, e2ee alternatives, support https://eff.org

I feel like e2ee on phones with OSes from the big two is a lost cause. I'll bet this is the year where open hardware/bios starts getting more popular, hopefully. So we can have open hardware/software.

Is Google snooping your SimpleX chats?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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what does your social circle being on Instagram bring to you? seriously, this picture-sharing app has evolved into this content spread machine that brings very little value.

When most of your social circle exists on one platform, you tend to use that platform less for its specific features, and more because of the fact that all your friends are there. I don't personally use Instagram, and this is anecdotal information, but I know a lot of people who only use Instagram to see what their friends and family are up to, and to watch the occasional reel. But you're absolutely right about Insta…

this is a very 21st century thing, the ability to know what everyone is doing at any time. extremely voyeuristic too.

the only social circle that truly matters is the geographically close one. no amount of E2EE or fancy chat app will replace being physically present.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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It feels to me Europe and the UK, in the western world, are further ahead on the legal road to surveillance than the US.

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Sure, but I think the point of this thread was (or should be) what can be done in the US to resist this. There's a lot of things the US resists doing because voters who never traveled outside of it can be convinced that what it is as implemented elsewhere is somehow flawed or worse than the status quo.

You see this exact pattern with real health care, common sense gun laws, investment in mass transportation, probably more that I'm not thinking of.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Isn't this actually improving safety by openly admitting how things always were in practice? Any e2e encryption provided by the same entity who fully controls both the blackbox clients, and the server in between, is just a security theatre that they can selectively bypass anytime with very little risk of detection. Not really much better than simple client to server encryption. Truly safe e2e requires open source cli…

one thing to consider is how just the optics of major players using e2e was an overall benefit. people who otherwise would have gone their entire lives without ever hearing about encryption were exposed to the term and the marketing convinced them that encryption and privacy was a valuable thing, even if they didnt fully understand the mechanisms or why e2e might not necessarily be very effective in specific circumst…

If someone's given the choice between say Instagram and IRC, and chooses Instagram because they heard it has E2EE, that's a loss.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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The only reason I can think of for this change is governmental pressure. I don’t see how it benefits the platform itself (nor its users).

I can think of some. Less code complexity to support a feature that didn't work properly and nobody was using? More ability to detect spam?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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one thing to consider is how just the optics of major players using e2e was an overall benefit. people who otherwise would have gone their entire lives without ever hearing about encryption were exposed to the term and the marketing convinced them that encryption and privacy was a valuable thing, even if they didnt fully understand the mechanisms or why e2e might not necessarily be very effective in specific circumst…

If someone's given the choice between say Instagram and IRC, and chooses Instagram because they heard it has E2EE, that's a loss.

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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As a California resident I request to download my personal data from every service I can, and I’m constantly surprised. We each have scores for all kinds of things. The local power company keeps a “Green Ideology” score on me.

How is that even legal?

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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The US is building out the infrastructure for a police state. The people who control the consolidated tech platforms are either spearheading or collaborating with that process. Privacy as a concept isn't even in the cards. You need to be prepared to avoid saying naughty things on the internet. Otherwise, perhaps someone will figure out that you great-great grandfather didn't sign in the right spot in 1897 and you're…

It feels to me Europe and the UK, in the western world, are further ahead on the legal road to surveillance than the US.

Someone pointed out something to me and it's really struck a chord with me.

In the USA, we hate the government collecting information on us, but shrug our shoulders when corporations do it.

In Europe, it's the exact opposite. They created GDPR to restrict how corporations collect and share data about you, but they shrug their shoulders at government doing it.

Obviously, this is incredibly reductive and over-simplified, but the general idea of it feels pretty true.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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There's a general trend right now against privacy and in a more general sense against freedom. More and more companies are on board with it. I'm not sure if anyone in HN has any useful advice in this regard. I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Does this particular measure matter very much? No, but it's another brick in the wall.

The US is building out the infrastructure for a police state. The people who control the consolidated tech platforms are either spearheading or collaborating with that process. Privacy as a concept isn't even in the cards. You need to be prepared to avoid saying naughty things on the internet. Otherwise, perhaps someone will figure out that you great-great grandfather didn't sign in the right spot in 1897 and you're…

Just want to clarify that "naughty" doesn't at all mean "bad" or "immoral". It means "Anything any current ot future regime will dislike"
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