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E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by wslh »

everdrive wrote: post #36

There's a general trend right now against privacy and in a more general sense against freedom. More and more companies are on board with it. I'm not sure if anyone in HN has any useful advice in this regard. I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Does this particular measure matter very much? No, but it's another brick in the wall.

I sometimes feel a bit weird about this. In the 90s it felt like "we" won the crypto wars: PGP, the fight over export controls, the Clipper Chip, etc. There was a strong sense that privacy and strong crypto had become settled questions.

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Spooky23 wrote: post #84
everdrive wrote: post #36

There's a general trend right now against privacy and in a more general sense against freedom. More and more companies are on board with it. I'm not sure if anyone in HN has any useful advice in this regard. I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Does this particular measure matter very much? No, but it's another brick in the wall.

The US is building out the infrastructure for a police state. The people who control the consolidated tech platforms are either spearheading or collaborating with that process. Privacy as a concept isn't even in the cards. You need to be prepared to avoid saying naughty things on the internet. Otherwise, perhaps someone will figure out that you great-great grandfather didn't sign in the right spot in 1897 and you're…

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by nemomarx »

j_bizzle wrote: post #103
everdrive wrote: post #36

There's a general trend right now against privacy and in a more general sense against freedom. More and more companies are on board with it. I'm not sure if anyone in HN has any useful advice in this regard. I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Does this particular measure matter very much? No, but it's another brick in the wall.

I’m truly on the fence about all of this. On one hand, I think a lot of the larger issues and divisions we’ve seen in society over the last 20 years are a direct result of our primary means of communication, entertainment and information being one that allows such ease of impersonation. While most of us here understand just how much Internet content is created with influence as a goal, and the posted by accounts with…

Facebook accounts today still have identity verification (they often ask for scans of IDs, etc) and yet it doesn't seem to result in a noticeably improved discourse there compared to say, Twitter before Musks takeover. I don't think anonymity actually changes discourse that much.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by sisve »

trinsic2 wrote: post #97
fsflover wrote: post #79

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> I feel like I don't know what to do about the internet for the next 5-10 years. Switch to decentralized, e2ee alternatives, support https://eff.org

I feel like e2ee on phones with OSes from the big two is a lost cause. I'll bet this is the year where open hardware/bios starts getting more popular, hopefully. So we can have open hardware/software.

Even with e/os/ or another u De-googled version of android?

Not directly to you but in general: I do not think (most) of Europe is going the same direction as US. I actually see a lot of hope in response to EU leaders about digital infrastructure, communication & security. we have started to stop realing on America, but it will take 10-20 years before you see the entire crash trump made

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by krystalgamer »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #83
krystalgamer wrote: post #45

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i don't understand this doomer mentality regarding the internet. internet is a service that you choose what to engage and how. don't like a platform? find another, build it or stop using it altogether. personally, i find these things really great has it helps nudge people into the more decentralized web. a few years ago those who were pushing for privacy respecting apps and platforms were deemed too paranoid.

Many people make their livings from these platforms. They cant leave without abandoning most of their income stream.

find a different employer? what kind of argument is that.

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by ls612 »

mc32 wrote: post #110
Spooky23 wrote: post #84

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The US is building out the infrastructure for a police state. The people who control the consolidated tech platforms are either spearheading or collaborating with that process. Privacy as a concept isn't even in the cards. You need to be prepared to avoid saying naughty things on the internet. Otherwise, perhaps someone will figure out that you great-great grandfather didn't sign in the right spot in 1897 and you're…

It feels to me Europe and the UK, in the western world, are further ahead on the legal road to surveillance than the US.

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Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by gzread »

ls612 wrote: post #117
mc32 wrote: post #110

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It feels to me Europe and the UK, in the western world, are further ahead on the legal road to surveillance than the US.

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What differentiates correct politics from incorrect politics?

Re: E2E encrypted messaging on Instagram will no longer be supported after 8 May

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Post by Bender »

impossiblefork wrote: post #87
Bender wrote: post #77

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So having a signal for switching mediums is something that I feel indicates thinking in the wrong direction. It's not for everyone. I grew up with code phrases. My mom knew that if I said "I love you" to send in the cavalry. We had similar processes in the military. If I answered the phone a particular way they knew the remote site was under siege.

That's an okay use, but in that use you're not attempting to achieving privacy. Everyone knows you talk to your parents, but code phrases are not a way to get privacy.

It's not for privacy in the way you may be thinking. This was long before cell phones or the internet existed and the conversation would have been over the rotary phone and it is assumed someone is in the house with me that should not be. Goal being police have authorization to kick down the door and assist the person or people that are nutritionally deficient in lead.
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