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Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by casey2 »

a456463 wrote: post #79
electrosphere wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm introverted but very glad I have the option of working from the office and being among fellow staff, we also have a lunchtime exercise club once a week. It's much better for my mental health. In fact, I've added two days working outside of home instead of one because of the benefits. I think 3 days home/2 days office is the sweet spot.

The keywords that you are not saying are "is a sweet spot FOR YOU" If it is a sweet spot for you fine, I am happy you found it. But DO NOT FORCE all of US who have different sweet spots to meet you at yours.

Says that guys that FORCED all of America into car dependency

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by asdff »

phantom784 wrote: post #103
bilsbie wrote: post #67

I wish we’d all go to four day work weeks. Over My whole life, 5 out of 7 full days of work always felt so daunting and almost dehumanizing. But 4/7 is mentally close to half and just feels way different qualitatively. If you have a job you mostly like, 4 days a week feels really sustainable.

I've been working 4/10 schedule (4 days, but 10 hours/day, so I still work 40 hours). It's a HUGE perk, and is the biggest thing keeping me at my current job.

Honestly I think the dirty secret is most peoples work output, especially in white collar work, is not linear. I'm willing to bet if you are even able to quantify your output (I don't believe most people can do that unless they are merely a fungible cog in some production process), you'd get the same exact amount of work done in a year working 4 10s or 4 8s or 4 5s I'd even bet.

Think of the classic case of the deadline and what it actually means. Case A, you didn't procrastinate. You took plenty of time to think on the problem, work on a solution at an unhurried pace, put it aside, come back to it, and solve it before it is due. And then, it is done.

Case B, you did procrastinate. You have no time at all to think all day, you immediately do and iterate. Four hours later you've sprinted and delivered. And then, it is done, same as it would have been if you didn't procrastinate, maybe 10 fold reduction in time.

And that is worst case examples. Typical case is probably somewhere between these A and B, but the point is non linear time to output.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by pocksuppet »

Muromec wrote: post #153
kubb wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's similar to how people say "Europe does this or that". Basically the part of their thoughts dedicated to that part of the world is so small that all they can afford is a tiny box, and everything has to go in there, reality be damned.

Europe at the very least has one parliament that sometimes passes laws that apply to almost the whole continent

Not really, it's not sovereign. The EU can pass laws that each European country chooses to implement. If they don't implement enough EU laws, they can get kicked out, which means more pieces of paper are written and some European countries might choose to afford them less privileges.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by gaoshan »

Asia rolled it out? Wow, imagine the coordination that took to get all of those disparate countries (like, 48 or 49 countries make up Asia) on board with a 4 day work week... and so quickly, too!

My homeowners association can't pull off a neighborhood playground cleanup without conflict, disorder and confusion even with 6 months of planning so again, kudos to the 48+ countries of Asia for coming together in this herculean example of speed, unity and coordination.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by pocksuppet »

Barrin92 wrote: post #190
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite unclear how big China's population really is; see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFbMWq-xvXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymmaYswXm78

>I now believe China’s actual population may be as low as 300–400 million that we now live in a world where people are confident enough to make claims this stupid in front of a camera should frighten anyone. Some basic logic, if China had the population of the United States it would have magically acquired the per capita economic output of the US in ~30 years, consume several times the energy and food it imports and…

Why is it impossible that China acquired the per capita economic output of the US?

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by casey2 »

darknavi wrote: post #134
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #11

I've long said that WFH is an easy win climate change solution that costs nothing, is well loved by everyone who participates (except management). Turns out in times like this, it's also an energy security measure.

I know it's a meme on HN to say everyone likes WFH, but I (and many but not ICs around me) thrive more in person. I am 100% more effective in person where I can dev and my desk and bounce ideas off if team mates around me verbally. This can be recreated in a remote environment by having things like a team Discord that folks sit on, but it can feel forced at times (just like communiting to the office I suppose). My ta…

If you genuinely "thrive" more in person then go live next to your office. No point sitting in a 30-60 minute commute. America/UK took the brunt of the cost transitioning towards knowledge work, but kept the costs of manufacturing (shipping people around). Even if it's slightly more productive, the cost is externalized on the workers making them poorer and sickly.

>Oh no you don't understand I need a compress decompress cycle I TRIVE when I burn as much gas as possible

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by Daishiman »

logicchains wrote: post #108
teachrdan wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global climate change will make much of the world barely habitable, and devastate crop yields. Those living outside "the West" will far and away be the most adversely affected. Reducing CO2 emissions is an urgent global priority.

>Global climate change will make much of the world barely habitable, and devastate crop yields There's no empirical basis for that statement, the people behind it have been making similar apocalyptic predictions for decades that never materialized, their models have no predictive power.

Mollusks in the ocean are producing shells slower because of the increase in carbonic acid. Nighttime temperatures are observably higher in the tropics.

You're say things that even climate denialists aren't claiming are true.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by asdff »

butILoveLife wrote: post #4

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Why take weekends off? Why take nights off? There are probably teams in some basement in china out working you right now. Don't you want a worker that can commit fully to your product? Have you measured hit to output from producing and rearing offspring? Those are jobs for the broodmares not engineers! Specialize specialize specialize!

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by pocksuppet »

recroad wrote: post #24

Why are they calling it the "Iran war". It's more like the US/Israeli War. Or more specifically, the US/Israeli assault on Iran.

Because we're sitting here on the American side. In Iran it's probably called the America war or the Israeli war.

Another way to name wars, when they aren't happening to you, is based on where they happen. The war is happening in and around Iran. It's very unlikely that Iran will manage to bring the war to America. You could also call it the Gulf of Persia war.

You can also name them propagandistically, as in the "2023 Israel-Hamas war". Thankfully this hasn't happened in this case.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Post by 0x457 »

bluescrn wrote: post #87
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #11

I've long said that WFH is an easy win climate change solution that costs nothing, is well loved by everyone who participates (except management). Turns out in times like this, it's also an energy security measure.

WFH was great to begin with, but as somebody living alone, the isolation starts to have an effect after a while when you're 'working alone' too And for many people WFH has other problems - if you're a dual-WFH couple in a small home, lack of home office space is a very real problem. (Although if WFH was a permanent thing, many people could choose less expensive places to live, and have more space) Still, anything to…

> And for many people WFH has other problems - if you're a dual-WFH couple in a small home, lack of home office space is a very real problem. (Although if WFH was a permanent thing, many people could choose less expensive places to live, and have more space)

Sure I get meetings you need to go to separate rooms, but how is the rest is different from a regular open office? Oh no, my co-working space has the person I like to spend time with?

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