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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by bryanlarsen »

skywhopper wrote: post #108
lesuorac wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about the same guy that sent a second slate of electors for the 2020 election. The same guy that told the government of Georgia to add 10,000 votes to his total so he'd win. The same guy that received 0 punishment for either action. Why wouldn't he try something for the mid-terms?

Yes, and Georgia refused. American elections are a lot more complicated than you seem to believe. There’s plenty to worry about in specific locations, but the federal government has no direct control over any of the voting processes or policies.

The Federal government has some direct control and lots of indirect control. Relevant right now is the horrible Save America act.

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Post by epistasis »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #102
epistasis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Biden administration was actually extremely competent, handled global inflation after the pandemic and Russia's war fairly well relative to peer nations, and set US manufacturing on course to provide us with all the batteries, solar panels, and EVs to prevent oil crunches like this from causing future inflation. I expect more competency from US Presidential administrations, and also expect more competency and ind…

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Huh? That's a pretty far out there statement that needs substantial support to be taken seriousl.

By all accounts Israeli leadership also tried to rope Biden and Obama into attacking Iran, but they were stronger presidents that paid more attention to US interests rather than being easily tricked.

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Post by 3rodents »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #102
epistasis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Biden administration was actually extremely competent, handled global inflation after the pandemic and Russia's war fairly well relative to peer nations, and set US manufacturing on course to provide us with all the batteries, solar panels, and EVs to prevent oil crunches like this from causing future inflation. I expect more competency from US Presidential administrations, and also expect more competency and ind…

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Please explain what was different between Iranian and U.S relations before and after Biden’s presidency, and how that has impacted today’s situation.

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Post by cotillion »

margalabargala wrote: post #83
toyg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

The US held elections during the Civil War. There is no crisis that would create a situation where elections "cannot be held". That is to say, if the current admin attempts to suspend elections, the legality of that and the magnitude of the reaction will be the same, crisis or no.

Some of the states held presidential elections, not all, but the winners write history so it worked out fine in that case.

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Post by miltonlost »

AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #112
malfist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no crisis in the US that results in canceled elections

Agreed. The United States had an election in 1864, while the states were literally at war with each other.

Yeah... because Lincoln wasn't a wanna-be tyrant like Trump. The leaders in charge of the elections are diametrically different people. Lincoln fought to keep the Union together; Trump tried to cause a coup to stay in charge in Jan 2020. My god.

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Post by mothballed »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #80
bootsmann wrote: post #6

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today , yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

It would be cheaper just to build an oil pipeline around it than to cover insurance and risk through that Strait. It would do well to just forget the Strait exists, our conflict has taken it out of commission for the indefinite future.

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Post by an_guy »

sys32768 wrote: post #34

An Iraqi security source said they think it was an Iranian boat rigged with explosives. If Iran does have underwater explosive drones, why would they boast about it and invite attacks upon that weapon and its deployment systems?

"If Iran has missiles why would they boast about it and invite attacks upon that weapon and its deployment systems?"

See how that doesn't make any sense?

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Post by ordu »

jonfw wrote: post #17
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

Whatever your political affiliation and thoughts on the war, I hope we can all agree that it would an awful thing to base our foreign policy on the US election cycle.

Not so awful as it may seem. It would be even more awful if election cycle had no influence over decision to wage one more war. "Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time".

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Post by vladms »

gtowey wrote: post #33
p-o wrote: post #11

Why did we have to go through all this pain. Was that really necessary? And given we mostly talk about technology here, let me put this through that lens: With all the technology advancement and improvement with access to information in the last 30 years, why does it feel that all of this culminates to more disinformation, more pain, and less understanding?

It's because technology doesn't change the fundamentals of global geopolitics. Which is that nearly all of history can be explained as a struggle to control basic resources such as arable land, oil, minerals, etc. Everything you're seeing today is because those resources are becoming either increasingly scarce, or increasingly valuable.

Technology can change things but people that profit today from something will oppose a change.

Case in point: switching from oil to renewables - which can lower dependency to external actors a lot as solar panels and windmills have life span of years, so even if the producers suddenly refuses to sell more, one has some time to find an alternative - was done slower than it could have because of "discussions".

Since 20 years I almost feel the discussion "climate change or not" is fueled by people that want dependency on oil, such that we don't talk about the issue of a couple of big producer points of failure (USA, Russia, Gulf countries). Not sure if oil companies are smart enough to finance green groups (to which I agree generally but is besides the point), such that the public discourse stays in a conflict area (climate) rather than a simple one (independence), but if they are that would be meta-evil.

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Post by comrade1234 »

technothrasher wrote: post #76
chinathrow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far The Ukraine would like to have a word.

FYI, "The Ukraine" is politically charged wording held over from Soviet times, and implies that it is part of Russia. The independent country is known simply as "Ukraine".

There are plenty of languages with gendered country names. Ukraine is die Ukraine (feminine gender) in German and the article is necessary since changing the article changes the meaning of what you're expressing. Whenever I see/hear "the Ukraine" I assume English is their second language.
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