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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by foxyv »

dchftcs wrote: post #195
foxyv wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition, your chance of being falsely accused is low. Your chance of being prosecuted if you are falsely accused is low. Your chance of being convicted, if you are falsely accused AND prosecuted is low. Also, the accuser's chance of being prosecuted for making the false allegation isn't that low. We're talking about less than 100 cases per year. The real thing to be worried about is a false conviction for drugs o…

The impact of false accusations don't start just with prosecution. People lose jobs and friends with it before that stage. I've personally seen people fired for a mere police investigation into something much milder that was eventually dropped. Also, I did some checking and I can't find sources supporting "100 cases per year". Various sources say unfounded allegations are estimated to be 5-20% in different research,…

This is why we need unions. You can be fired for chewing gum too loudly or just being around when the boss is pissed off. We need to band together to defend each other against malicious employers.

With regards to the 100 cases per year. I was using UK statistics for false rape allegations. Ironically, men are more likely to be raped by other men than be investigated for a false rape allegation.

> Can't people take precautions on all these things that threaten one's reputation and livlihood?

Of course! But if their "precautions" mean they are also being nasty to people I'll be happy to call them out on it.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by foxyv »

bulbar wrote: post #222
RajT88 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nailed it. The amount of bandwidth men should dedicate to this is far lower than what women should be dedicating to it in terms of absolute risk. That isn't to say you should not be thinking about making sure you don't put yourself in a situation where you could be falsely accused of something. I would say, if you are thinking in that way - spending some time making sure you don't do anything to make women uncomforta…

That's pretty much whataboutism. Also, people who fear false accusations are usually not the same that make women uncomfortable. The majority of men has totally fine behavior when it comes to women.

Hate to say it, but this is a response TO a whataboutism. The original topic was Uber letting women choose to not drive with men. The whatabout was males being falsely accused of rape.

> The majority of men has totally fine behavior when it comes to women.

Yeah, about 75% ish. Not a great number. We don't educate young boys about ideas like consent so it isn't very surprising. Especially with the enduring rape culture in media and our government institutions.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by thrance »

Markoff wrote: post #229

Great solution, next do special women subway coaches, separate public buses to mixed vs women areas and separate girls and boys in school, down to road we can introduce burqa just to make sure nobody has reason to attack women.

Slippery slope fallacy. It's unfortunate that gender seggragation is the only way to stop women from being raped by their Uber drivers, but in a country led by a raging misogynist and pedophile, it's hardly surprising that we would need to go that far. I'm all for building a safer society for everyone, but in the meantime this crutch appears necessary.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #227
scoofy wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My argument is an active lawsuit: https://employmentlawweekly.com/uncategorized/uber-lyft-sued... Yes, I realize women face real dangers in car share hiring. The solution isn't just to then just blindly discriminate against random, perfectly nice men.

Feel free to share a better solution so we can replace this one. Then we can argue the merits of solution A vs solution B. I'd much rather be having that conversation instead of the solution A vs no solution. Arguing against filtering cannot be separated from the moral hazard of asking someone else to take on risk without themselves having skin in the game.

> Feel free to share a better solution so we can replace this one.

> Then we can argue the merits of solution A vs solution B. I'd much rather be having that conversation instead of the solution A vs no solution.

You should be aware that these statements come off as extremely obtuse. A solution was shared at the top of the thread; albeit by a different commenter, but it makes sense that the second commenter would have the same suggestion in mind. You've not actually discussed the merits despite ample opportunity, instead agreeing that it's a better solution, but, because it's not been implemented, this solution is still necessary for the time being.

What you've not done is argued for why that should be the case, as opposed to the bare assertion that it is. It seems that would be beneficial to your point of view in this discussion, given that others seem to be saying that it should not be.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #221
scoofy wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I’m hearing is bad-faith nonsense built on intentionally ignoring the concept of civil rights. Why go on the internet and do this? Honestly. You know that your line of argumentation doesn’t even remotely care about being serious, yet you make it anyway. Why? To waste my time?

Bro, your argument is a joke. What should a woman in this position do? Look at the options and think to herself, "I could choose a woman driver, but I won't because that is discriminatory to men and I should accept the risk"? Put yourself in her shoes. I don't mean this metaphorically. Put on women's clothes, makeup, and order an uber. In the time it takes for it to arrive, notice the thoughts that appear in your min…

Rather than their argument being a joke, you are misunderstanding the argument.

> What should a woman in this position do? Look at the options and think to herself, "I could choose a woman driver, but I won't because that is discriminatory to men and I should accept the risk"?

Nobody has argued this. This is a straw man you constructed so you can knock it over and claim victory.

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Post by mmooss »

leptons wrote: post #230
mmooss wrote: post #218

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You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. Even if lesbians are just as likely to be dangerous creeps - which I doubt because it seems like relative physical strength is a major factor - the number of lesbians relative to the number of hetero males makes the risk far lower. The number of trans people is an order of magnitude less. > you don't even really know if the person driving was born as a man or a w…

>You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. You don't know me well enough to form that opinion, and you're completely, absolutely wrong. All I did was state that this "solution" isn't quite as clear-cut as it seems, and that it will likely backfire. I'm not sure what kind of dysfunction happened in your head for you to arrive at "afraid of non-hetero sexuality"??? Maybe don't imagine things that simply ar…

The GGP comment talks about how all these non-hetero people are somehow more dangerous. It's hard to escape the implications or the responsbility for implying what is a long-time trope of hate - constructing a reality where non-hetero people are somehow actually dangerous despite doing nothing that affects anyone else or is anyone else's business, realizing and rationalizing fears. Fear and hate are two sides of the same emotion.

The unknown is scary to people, to everyone. Get to know some non-hetero people and you'll find they are just like everyone else - and you are just like them.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by aaron695 »

slumpt_ wrote: post #67
mholm wrote: post #4

Unfortunately necessary. Essentially every girl I know has had at least one bad experience with a creepy uber driver. These are people that are entering their address and often their workplace into the app. It's a big reason why a lot of my friends are picking Waymos instead.

Fully agree and am pretty disappointed reading replies on here. Anyone familiar with the demographics of this forum? What % male is it? If you have women in your life, ask their thoughts on this. It’s easy to not understand problems that don’t exist for us.

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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by atmavatar »

belorn wrote: post #233
paxys wrote: post #53

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Do you think having women's only bathrooms is discrimination as well?

In places where unisex bathrooms is the norm, it not that uncommon to see men's only bathroom while the other rooms are unisex. Is that discrimination?

Yes.

I'm rather curious where this is actually the case, particularly as you claim it's not uncommon.

My experience has been the opposite, though I'd hardly claim it to be representative. My prior employer had all single-occupant, unisex bathrooms originally, until one woman high up the management chain demanded there be women's only bathrooms. So, a women's only placard was placed on a couple of the unisex bathrooms, and suddenly, guys had to semi-frequently wait on for the remaining available unisex bathrooms during the day.

It was very clearly discriminatory, and I have no problem claiming the reverse would be just as bad.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by RajT88 »

foxyv wrote: post #242
bulbar wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much whataboutism. Also, people who fear false accusations are usually not the same that make women uncomfortable. The majority of men has totally fine behavior when it comes to women.

Hate to say it, but this is a response TO a whataboutism. The original topic was Uber letting women choose to not drive with men. The whatabout was males being falsely accused of rape. > The majority of men has totally fine behavior when it comes to women. Yeah, about 75% ish. Not a great number. We don't educate young boys about ideas like consent so it isn't very surprising. Especially with the enduring rape cultur…

Accusing someone of whataboutism when they are pushing back against it is pretty standard for this topic.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Post by eudamoniac »

SoftTalker wrote: post #21
mholm wrote: post #4

Unfortunately necessary. Essentially every girl I know has had at least one bad experience with a creepy uber driver. These are people that are entering their address and often their workplace into the app. It's a big reason why a lot of my friends are picking Waymos instead.

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> That's just the world we live in and it's sad in a way

That's the world you live in, and it is definitely sad. Give your neighbor a ride home for God's sake.

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