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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by mpol »

fsflover wrote: post #86
charcircuit wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Because its existence relies on a good will of Google AOSP is open source. Anyone can fork it. >Google will allow only apps from verified developers This is done by Play Services which is not included in AOSP even. >Only megacorps will likely be able to support a hard fork for such a large codebase. The same can be said about any operating system. The scope of an operating system is huge.

> The same can be said about any operating system. GNU/Linux is already supported without a (single) megacorp. So not all OSes have this problem.

@charcircuit

Sailfish is more like GNU/Linux, that is the OS in this context. For Jolla that is less code to maintain themselves then what Google maintains in Android/Linux. Hard forking Android/Linux looks to be quite a big bite to chew on.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by 4k93n2 »

rzerowan wrote: post #85
polar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jolla does have an arrangement with Sony, so there are a few other device options: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/

As i recall , they do not come preloaded and the usr has to do a song and dance to flash the ROM with the new OS. While also paying a separete license fee for the OS and updates. Too much friction and limiting the potential - thats why i reiterate. The SailFishOS is a delight technically and aesthetically - the business side though needs a major overhaul. Just thinking out loud , they could partner with someone likee…

they sell some preloaded xperias on their website, but i get the impression the only have a few at any given time because ive been checking every now and again and half the time they are sold out

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by logicchains »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

The vast majority of people on this site can afford a couple hundred dollars for a basic Android phone that's used only for tasks like that, and as a bonus it's safer than having banking apps on your main phone. Anyone who isn't willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on the freedom to run whatever software they want on their phone probably doesn't consider software freedom a priority anyway.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by miohtama »

gruez wrote: post #27
miohtama wrote: post #16

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They cannot, because for some reason GrapheneOS is shitting on them https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2029651838975328512

Seems fair given that it was in response to a tweet referring to the phone as "ULTRA secure!"

Yes but that was not from Jolla, but some random Twitter user.

They were also shitting on it earlier in December, so GrapheneOS is probably run by some teenagers going through problematic puberty

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115685433938468549

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by rolandog »

gbrindisi wrote: post #73
rolandog wrote: post #47

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They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre? I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there…

fifteen years ago I use to do mobile pentests for banks and when we could not find anything significant for the reports we could’ve always count on “lack of rooting detection” and pin the risk on some vague mobile banking malware threat pushed by marketing. I am sorry I contributed to this nonsense. 100% security theater, and here we are.

It's understandable; I would maybe expect to undergo an extra step in verification for a sensitive app like, "we noticed this is the first time you are using this system that is not locked down; please type in the token we have mailed you".

But locking users out (which may not directly be the bank's fault for relying on OS's security APIs) seems anti-competitive.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by moobsen »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

I just switched to a Fairphone 5 with e/OS, which is a de-googled Android (it uses microG), and am pleasantly surprised how well everything works. My banking apps work, contacts and calendar lived on nextcloud already, the learning apps I use work. The two things I have to get used to is not having google maps, but the map app on there has also worked fine for me so far. And casting to a Chromecast doesn't really work for me, but I can live without that.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by ozlikethewizard »

kombine wrote: post #36

The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.

Would highly recommend not taking your actual phone to the US anyways

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by gruez »

miohtama wrote: post #94
gruez wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems fair given that it was in response to a tweet referring to the phone as "ULTRA secure!"

Yes but that was not from Jolla, but some random Twitter user. They were also shitting on it earlier in December, so GrapheneOS is probably run by some teenagers going through problematic puberty https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115685433938468549

>Yes but that was not from Jolla, but some random Twitter user.

So if a random auto blog was saying how Tesla FSD was "ULTRA reliable", it wouldn't be fair for Waymo (or anyone else) to reply back and point that out?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by muhehe »

fractallyte wrote: post #63
muhehe wrote: post #23

I really wish them success, but I just can't see it anymore. I had the first version and it seems it didn't move much forward from that time. And there were also many screwups, as poisonborz reminded a bit earlier. Their UI looked novel, but wasn't that great in practice. It wasn't stable (hopefully that changed) and the lack of real apps was killing it before and now even more, as more banks/govs require some "trust…

I dispute your assertion: Sailfish's UI is WAY ahead of iOS and Android. It's simple, consistent, and intuitive; a complete contrast to the mess of iOS and the clunkiness of Android. As for stability, native Sailfish apps on my Xperia XA2 seldom, if ever, crash. And, to my eyes, it simply looks better.

I won't dispute you. Maybe it evolved into more usable state, but the beginings had many problems and rough edges.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by rolandog »

Cpoll wrote: post #51
rolandog wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre? I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there…

Would you bet your company on that happening soon? :)

Ha! Well, not right now! Previous to the last year or so, this wouldn't have escalated to the current situation where we're actively having to be wary of fending off Big Brother or blatant power grabs.

However, given that we're talking about a European phone, I'm willing to bet that this type of effort goes hand in hand with decoupling from American-backed services (at least for those who've seen the writing on the wall and understand the risk to their sovereignty if they put all their eggs on an American basket).

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