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Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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For quite many banks a mobile phone is now the only 2FA they support.

Or worse. My bank closed down their old online banking site and the new one needs the phone for 2FA... but ... drumroll ... ... the idiots also want me to keep using the token device to log in before approving the log in via my phone. Security theater.

So switch the bank? Worked for me.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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> Your standard is "succeed against Google and Apple within 13 years..." Absolutely not. My standard is the many other AOSP-based ROMs communities and companies that were founded around them, having success within a few years - yes, they could lean on the ecosystem compatibility and didn't produce their own hardware, but maybe that's a more viable way to start? "shoestring budget with no volume discounts" does not ex…

AOSP is just a totally different destination, it's not a faster route to the same one. Sailfish is spiritually MeeGo: actual Linux on the phone, not a custom skin on Google's foundations. Obviously it's faster to build a kit-car than a car factory, I don't see how that's a rebuttal, it's an entirely different conversation. An AOSP fork on Qualcomm hardware isn't independence. Jolla are actually trying to build the fa…

I don't see the issue of using AOSP. You get to skip the many years that Sailfish OS will still need in user testing. You get to skip all the possible incompatibilities with Android apps through the compatibility layer. AOSP is also Linux on the phone. I guess you mean GNU/Linux on the phone, but AOSP now also has official support for a Linux VM (you want a VM because traditional desktop Linux security is not great). They are even adding support for running Wayland apps. With the recently-added desktop support, you can plug a phone into an external screen and you'll have a desktop with Android apps and Linux desktop apps.

I think the chance of Google completely closing AOSP is pretty small, AOSP being open maintains a power equilibrium between Google and other OEMs. Closing up AOSP carries the huge risk that Samsung and some other big OEMs will fork it and Google has essentially lost the whole market overnight. I am pretty sure this is why Samsung phones also have the Galaxy Store with a bunch of apps like Netflix in it. The Galaxy Store is Samsung's subtle message to Google saying: don't try to rein us in, we can cut you out.

That said, even if Google closes AOSP, forking it and maintaining it as an open project is going to be far less work than brining Sailfish OS to the level of polish, security, etc. of AOSP.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I really wish them success, but I just can't see it anymore. I had the first version and it seems it didn't move much forward from that time. And there were also many screwups, as poisonborz reminded a bit earlier. Their UI looked novel, but wasn't that great in practice. It wasn't stable (hopefully that changed) and the lack of real apps was killing it before and now even more, as more banks/govs require some "trust…

I dispute your assertion: Sailfish's UI is WAY ahead of iOS and Android. It's simple, consistent, and intuitive; a complete contrast to the mess of iOS and the clunkiness of Android. As for stability, native Sailfish apps on my Xperia XA2 seldom, if ever, crash.

And, to my eyes, it simply looks better.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere. Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination. But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in covera…

Why aren't modern SoC modems just support all bands? How hard is it?

Just a guess: maybe it requires fairly expensive certification that is not worth it when a SoC family is barely used in a region (yes, I know, chicken-egg).

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store. However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfe…

Which version of LOS do you run exactly? Did you compile it yourself, or did you pick a pre-made version? One from XDA?

I ask, because the device is not officially supported by LineageOS, but if it works well with a different approach it would be an interesting option for me as well.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store. However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfe…

Can you use teams/outlook on your jelly star? I've been wondering how bad the ux could be in real world use.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

> Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them.

Sure, but somehow RCS is viable in 2026. Old projects can come back!

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Regarding the issues of banking apps: if the EU is serious about tech sovereignty, it's up to members to mandate that banks allow their apps to run on Sailfish, or other alternative operating systems. It really is as simple as that.

(But whether any EU member is capable of rising to this (very shallow) challenge... well, I'm justifiably cynical.)

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I would like it to have also hardware video output. Then I could become a PC in our pocket.

Librem 5 already exists: https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/

How can a review of a smartphone not comment on how well it works as a phone? Calling, texting, and battery life are table stakes for a mobile phone, and the last time I heard about this device it was still struggling with those basics.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Librem 5 already exists: https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/

How can a review of a smartphone not comment on how well it works as a phone? Calling, texting, and battery life are table stakes for a mobile phone, and the last time I heard about this device it was still struggling with those basics.

I wrote a bit here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45276516 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39461180.
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