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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by yieldcrv »

arcalinea wrote: post #71

Jay here: this is a transition I've been working towards for awhile, and I'm looking forward to advancing the vision and ecosystem as CIO (Chief Innovation Officer). Toni has been an advisor to us for years, and I personally recruited him to take over as CEO while I focus on new projects within the company. It's an honor to have him on board to lead us into this next stage of growth.

I'm glad you were able to reach your goal, been following your professional journey since I met you at a silicon valley event 10 years ago, looking forward to what you do with the ecosystem

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by tryrrr »

user3939382 wrote: post #105

It’s a social network premised on not liking Elon Musk as far as I remember. The inverse is not true, Twitter user adoption as far as I can tell is not primarily driven by left/right political fanaticism. Not sure what reason it even has to exist.

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Post by irishcoffee »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #49
mcdonje wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? If a company is publicly traded, they're legally required to prioritize shareholder value, unless they're a benefit corp or something with multiple bottom lines. I suppose you could call it values-driven to drive up the bottom line, but that's not normally what people mean.

IANAL but no, executives are not actually legally required to increase shareholder value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.#Judgme...

Allow me introduce you to the inception of enshittification

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by PaulHoule »

lukev wrote: post #87
fritzo wrote: post #61

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The community has voted for convenience over privacy, and twitter and bluesky have won over mastodon. You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy

Bluesky is very intentionally about public posting. It's a bit weird to say people "don't care about privacy" when speaking of a platform designed to amplify and distribute posts as widely and effectively as possible.

There is a lot of weirdness around Mastodon, particularly some people can’t seem to make up their minds if they want the stuff they post to be visible or not.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

alterom wrote: post #101
fritzo wrote: post #61

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The community has voted for convenience over privacy, and twitter and bluesky have won over mastodon. You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy

>You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy The entire point of a platform like Twitter / Bluesky is reach , not privacy . Posts and discussions there are meant to be public, and highly visible. It's not that people don't care. It's that this is not what the platform is for . What's important for a platform like that is not even anonymity , but functional pseudonymity . And that thing is on its way to…

I 100% agree, I always thought that even Private Messages were a bad idea.

But no, we're way past "if you don't want it public don't post it." and then wiping our hands and being done. We need to think in a policy kind of way on this.

And again, things are already dangerous -- but ATProto makes them more dangerous. It's something like a chain-of-custody thing. I think the world is collectively safer where the gathering of data like this is less reliable and less verifiable.

ATProto's model makes the building of the proverbial evil Big Brother panopticon thing a LOT easier.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by ajsalminen »

fritzo wrote: post #61
jrm4 wrote: post #32

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter. Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model. The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "abili…

The community has voted for convenience over privacy, and twitter and bluesky have won over mastodon. You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy

I'd rather say Twitter and Threads are the current winners if we're talking about userbase. Bluesky is basically in the same league with Mastodon while those two are so far above that you can't even see them without a telescope.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

lukev wrote: post #78
jrm4 wrote: post #32

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter. Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model. The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "abili…

You can care a lot about plausible deniability and the ability to delete your own data, but it seems a bit weird to denounce a whole ecosystem as "generally a bad idea" on those grounds, when that is a deliberate anti-goal of the system design. Don't use it if you don't like it. Some of us like the strong identity and content verification.

"Don't use it if you don't like it" is not a sufficient response here, because the gathering and verifying of personal data is NOT PURELY AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM. You might post about me. Etc.

Proverbial Big Brother ALSO likes "strong identity and content verification."

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

CactusBlue wrote: post #138
danabramov wrote: post #130

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That's pretty much what atproto is, except it's typed JSON rather than HTML, and HTTP+WebSockets to allow aggregation. I wrote more about how it works here if you're curious: https://overreacted.io/a-social-filesystem/

and I actually don't hate that bit (I really like lexicons, although I might have approached it in a different way) - what I hate is the aggregation layer. I know that it is possible to have an AppView-less atproto app (e.g. RedDwarf), but I feel like much of the ecosystem still defaults to the assumption that it will go through the Bluesky AppView.

You may be confusing the Relay, a protocol component run by Bluesky, with the Bluesky AppView

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by PaulHoule »

haunter wrote: post #135
rekmarks wrote: post #126

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No they’re not? https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

Are we seeing the same? All the stats are steadily going down https://i.imgur.com/QJakG56.png

I’d describe that last six months as ‘sideways’ —- what was that surge near the end of last year?

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by alex1138 »

ghaff wrote: post #133
pron wrote: post #114

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Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

For whatever faults the old Twitter had pre-Musk, it did establish a certain critical mass for a certain type of short form threaded discussion which seems to be largely dead at this point.

Jack seemed interested in the protocol side of the house and making a good product that was in spirit of the internet, it also had a mix of people you might know IRL (with reasonable privacy defaults) and official sources/public figures. I don't think he was much interested in the censorship, it feels they got run over by a bunch of activist types during covid (who decided it was de rigeur to censor real doctors for perceived 'misinformation'). Jack started work on Bluesky and now is involved in Nostr

Speaking personally, supposedly Twitter now (X) still has a bunch of censorship and I don't especially like Musk (but what he did was valuable, showing Jay Bhattacharya he'd be put on a trending blacklist) and the site is... well, I should be able to follow threads without having an account but they crippled it so much. It reminds me of Instagram, "log in to see any PUBLIC page"

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