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Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by alephnerd »

spacechild1 wrote: post #23
alephnerd wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much. It's fun seeing idealists get slapped by reality. If you want to protect your ideals you better know how to fight for them using the same tactics as your competitors. Learning how to build a board that is in your favor, making alliances with less than pure players if needed, and being ruthlessly competitive allows an ideal to become reality.

What's fun about it?

It's like seeing your kid learn how to walk. They'll fail a couple of times, but they'll get toughen up and finally learn.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter.

Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model.

The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "ability to delete" and more "plausible deniability."

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by _cenw »

AuthAuth wrote: post #27
Ekaros wrote: post #19

Wait Bluesky had a CEO? I thought it was some type of organic open source collective.

They constantly say they are a Public benefit corporation but there is no actual difference between that an a corporation. This leads to people assuming some kind of benevolence.

If you need a reference measure of "Public Benefit Corporation", Anthropic is one too.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by captainbland »

Legend2440 wrote: post #26
ribosometronome wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, I'm probably under a rock, but why is that bad? I see they're behind WordPress but am not sure what the 1:1 is. The WP Engine stuff?

There was some WP drama between Automattic and the WP community a while back. Also the whole point of Bluesky is that they aren't supposed to be a big evil silicon valley tech company. But now you have a silicon-valley VC running the thing.

They'd already taken VC money hadn't they? It's got to be said though that tech startups are getting very formulaic. Monster of the week vibes.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #22
DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

Huh, I guess betting on Mastodon winning was the right bet.

Mastodon already won, by being used by people. Bluesky also won, by also being used by people. Not sure if this is a "winner takes it all" scenario? As long as you can host it yourself, I don't really mind where people are, both seem to work and have "won" for what they set out to do.

Since developing on ATProto, one thing I have hoped for is less of this "winner take all" world. I think the protocol can be for much more than social media, could do dropbox if permissions and private data are designed well. This comment by the main protocol dev working on this does not inspire confidence on my part.

https://bsky.app/profile/dholms.at/post/3mfsehg6ius2a

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by pfraze »

This move came from Jay so that she could focus more on the atproto ecosystem and forward looking development. Personally, I'm happy for her. The CEO role gets extremely wrapped up in operations & org building, and as a technologist I'm not sure it would be for me.

I've met with Toni a couple of times and he seems really excellent. He was CEO of Automattic (Wordpress) from 2006 to 2014, and that means a fair amount of expertise making an open-source-first company work. He cares about an open internet and protocol, and seems very keen to drive the mission forward.

For a little extra assurance, atproto is hopefully quite close to establishing an IETF working group, and the DID PLC Directory is likewise close to establishing the independent entity. Our priorities for an open network are unchanged.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by lich_king »

embedding-shape wrote: post #22
DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

Huh, I guess betting on Mastodon winning was the right bet.

Mastodon already won, by being used by people. Bluesky also won, by also being used by people. Not sure if this is a "winner takes it all" scenario? As long as you can host it yourself, I don't really mind where people are, both seem to work and have "won" for what they set out to do.

It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where your friends or "influencers" are.

Mastodon ended up losing its user base to Bluesky during the early Twitter exodus because many influencers and journalists wanted to have an "elite" status and a special relationship with the platform, so they preferred a platform owned by Dorsey to some hippie open-source thing. Bluesky, in turn, ended up losing back to Twitter/X when it turned out to be a place where you mostly talk about how awful Twitter/X is.

I want to say that we don't need social networks where we constantly interact with hundreds of thousands of strangers, but I'm writing this on HN, so...

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