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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by carlosjobim »

written-beyond wrote: post #76

Man I really loved MeeGo, I was in my early teens when I got the N9 specifically because it was such a beautiful experiment from Nokia. Amoled display, MeeGo os and the polycarbonate shell. The phone was hot garbage technically, would over heat had 0 apps and had idle battery times worse than a cup of tea left out on a cold day. However the phone was such a work of art I could accept just about any flaw. Right after…

Nokia N9 still has the most modern and refined user interface, 15 years after being discontinued:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFNXhiFnKY

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by charcircuit »

fsflover wrote: post #53
poisonborz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is AOSP a wrong path? Why would it be "tainted"? Any large enough entity can fork. Hundreds already did, successfully. Even China couldn't do otherwise - via Huawei they mutated it to HarmonyOS (becoming much different from its roots, and incompatible to it, structurally becoming superior in many ways). Why throw away 20 years of development and a sea of dev experience? But even if you insist on a non-AOSP way: S…

> Why is AOSP a wrong path? Because its existence relies on a good will of Google. See: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android (9to5google.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028 and GrapheneOS accessed Android security patches but not allowed to publish sources (grapheneos.social) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925 > Any large enough entity can fork. Onl…

>Because its existence relies on a good will of Google

AOSP is open source. Anyone can fork it.

>Google will allow only apps from verified developers

This is done by Play Services which is not included in AOSP even.

>Only megacorps will likely be able to support a hard fork for such a large codebase.

The same can be said about any operating system. The scope of an operating system is huge.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by chrononaut »

joecool1029 wrote: post #30

Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago to not touch these markets. The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets. Europeans, I guess good luck, have fun. I followed them in the early days and ran early builds of Sailfish on the N9, had high hopes but have long given up on them…

> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets.

Their technical specifications state:

> Cellular: 4G + 5G with dual nano-SIM and global roaming modem configuration[0]

Is that implying "global" is actually not global?

[0] https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Matl »

muhehe wrote: post #23

I really wish them success, but I just can't see it anymore. I had the first version and it seems it didn't move much forward from that time. And there were also many screwups, as poisonborz reminded a bit earlier. Their UI looked novel, but wasn't that great in practice. It wasn't stable (hopefully that changed) and the lack of real apps was killing it before and now even more, as more banks/govs require some "trust…

I had Sailfish on XPERIA and it was no less stable than Android/iOS in my experience. But that wasn't the first version I don't think.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by rzerowan »

polar wrote: post #34
rzerowan wrote: post #3

This is why i keep saying the Jolla management neds a rethink. Its 2026 GraphenOS is in a partnership with Motorola while Jolla is still doing early 2K style kickstarter campaigns. The market is there , product is loved and ppeople have proved they are willing to take some pain adopting the product.But still the execution to serve that market is shambolic to say the least.

Jolla does have an arrangement with Sony, so there are a few other device options: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/

As i recall , they do not come preloaded and the usr has to do a song and dance to flash the ROM with the new OS. While also paying a separete license fee for the OS and updates.

Too much friction and limiting the potential - thats why i reiterate. The SailFishOS is a delight technically and aesthetically - the business side though needs a major overhaul.

Just thinking out loud , they could partner with someone likee huawei to preload for EU/rest of world customers that cannot use HarmonyOS outside CH. Or even one of the other smaller OEM with access to the deep tech ecosystem to give a prebuild/preloaded f;agship at a cost competitive price. Or do a Apple and auction search/maps defaults to keep BOM costs down and aim for widespread adoption.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by fsflover »

charcircuit wrote: post #82
fsflover wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is AOSP a wrong path? Because its existence relies on a good will of Google. See: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android (9to5google.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028 and GrapheneOS accessed Android security patches but not allowed to publish sources (grapheneos.social) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925 > Any large enough entity can fork. Onl…

>Because its existence relies on a good will of Google AOSP is open source. Anyone can fork it. >Google will allow only apps from verified developers This is done by Play Services which is not included in AOSP even. >Only megacorps will likely be able to support a hard fork for such a large codebase. The same can be said about any operating system. The scope of an operating system is huge.

> The same can be said about any operating system.

GNU/Linux is already supported without a (single) megacorp. So not all OSes have this problem.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by charcircuit »

fsflover wrote: post #86
charcircuit wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Because its existence relies on a good will of Google AOSP is open source. Anyone can fork it. >Google will allow only apps from verified developers This is done by Play Services which is not included in AOSP even. >Only megacorps will likely be able to support a hard fork for such a large codebase. The same can be said about any operating system. The scope of an operating system is huge.

> The same can be said about any operating system. GNU/Linux is already supported without a (single) megacorp. So not all OSes have this problem.

Most of Linux is written by corporations and that's just a kernel, not a full operating system like ChromeOS which took Google to be able to build.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

toast0 wrote: post #14
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they're aiming to serve the EU and UK (and Norway and Switzerland) markets only. Although, with that said, the page for the September 2026 phone says this ( https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 ): > LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 > LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 > 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41,…

> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere. Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination. But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in covera…

Some carriers also require your phone to be on their whitelist - for example AT&T.

And Verizon claims they don't do it that way, but we had a phone that worked on Verizon with an old SIM card until Verizon caught on, and then suddenly it wasn't compatible with their network and couldn't be used on Verizon.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by fsflover »

charcircuit wrote: post #87
fsflover wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same can be said about any operating system. GNU/Linux is already supported without a (single) megacorp. So not all OSes have this problem.

Most of Linux is written by corporations and that's just a kernel, not a full operating system like ChromeOS which took Google to be able to build.

I updated my comment to indicate GNU/Linux.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by written-beyond »

carlosjobim wrote: post #81
written-beyond wrote: post #76

Man I really loved MeeGo, I was in my early teens when I got the N9 specifically because it was such a beautiful experiment from Nokia. Amoled display, MeeGo os and the polycarbonate shell. The phone was hot garbage technically, would over heat had 0 apps and had idle battery times worse than a cup of tea left out on a cold day. However the phone was such a work of art I could accept just about any flaw. Right after…

Nokia N9 still has the most modern and refined user interface, 15 years after being discontinued: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFNXhiFnKY

But it really was a once in a lifetime experimental device. The aesthetics were a little whack, in an endearing sort of way.
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