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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Cpoll »

rolandog wrote: post #47
nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre? I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there…

Would you bet your company on that happening soon? :)

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by shmerl »

toast0 wrote: post #14
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they're aiming to serve the EU and UK (and Norway and Switzerland) markets only. Although, with that said, the page for the September 2026 phone says this ( https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 ): > LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 > LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 > 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41,…

> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere. Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination. But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in covera…

Why aren't modern SoC modems just support all bands? How hard is it?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by fsflover »

poisonborz wrote: post #44
dijit wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AOSP is just a totally different destination, it's not a faster route to the same one. Sailfish is spiritually MeeGo: actual Linux on the phone, not a custom skin on Google's foundations. Obviously it's faster to build a kit-car than a car factory, I don't see how that's a rebuttal, it's an entirely different conversation. An AOSP fork on Qualcomm hardware isn't independence. Jolla are actually trying to build the fa…

Why is AOSP a wrong path? Why would it be "tainted"? Any large enough entity can fork. Hundreds already did, successfully. Even China couldn't do otherwise - via Huawei they mutated it to HarmonyOS (becoming much different from its roots, and incompatible to it, structurally becoming superior in many ways). Why throw away 20 years of development and a sea of dev experience? But even if you insist on a non-AOSP way: S…

> Why is AOSP a wrong path?

Because its existence relies on a good will of Google. See:

Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android (9to5google.com)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

and

GrapheneOS accessed Android security patches but not allowed to publish sources (grapheneos.social)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45208925

> Any large enough entity can fork.

Only megacorps will likely be able to support a hard fork for such a large codebase.

> Hundreds already did, successfully.

Which of them are hard forks? China will not be a benevolent dictator of AOSP

> Fairphone

It's Android again.

There are indeed non-Android alternatives, but not in Europe. I use Librem 5 btw.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by microtonal »

kombine wrote: post #36

The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.

In 2026, I would not want to travel to the US with a phone that does not have the level of device security of a Pixel with GrapheneOS or an iPhone.

(I actually do not want to travel to the US, period. But that's a different story.)

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by elseleigh »

I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store.

However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfect for me.

Would I return to SailfishOS? Absolutely. But there'd need to be a small phone in the line up for me to migrate to.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by amarant »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

Looks like the Swedish bankid at the very least actually does work on sailfish[1]!

Not sure about equivalent apps for other regions, but I don't see why they shouldn't work.

[1] https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/swedish-bank-id-swish/11781/3

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by NewJazz »

distances wrote: post #42
HNisCIS wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.

For quite many banks a mobile phone is now the only 2FA they support.

So glad my brokerage supports good old totp.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by NewJazz »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #15
drnick1 wrote: post #7

They should have collaborated with GrapheneOS like Motorola instead of starting from scratch with Linux and a proprietary user interface. As it stands, this phone will have worse security than a Pixel with Graphene or the upcoming Motorola phone. It's not an improvement over common closed source Android varieties either, and will certainly have worse app compatibility than Android. Hardware switches are irrelevant if…

Their entire raison d'être is to make Sailfish OS (non-Android Linux) phones. I'm happy they're doing it. Graphene OS is great but it's just another Android ROM and still dependent on Google.

They could have done both. GrapheneOS is as dependent on google as their android app compatibility layrr, if I had to guess.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by IshKebab »

HNisCIS wrote: post #39
poulpy123 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.

Paying for things? Transferring money? What else do you do with a bank account?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Tade0 »

HNisCIS wrote: post #39
poulpy123 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.

MFA largely, some banks also provide wallets for contactless payments.

I refuse to have my browser fingerprinted as a "trusted device" because part my bank is just bad at it.

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