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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by poisonborz »

dijit wrote: post #26
poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

> Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project Realistically building a production quality database takes 10 years. Building a production quality game engine takes 10 years. They're building a mobile operating system and the hardware it runs on; that's harder and a moving target. How long do you think it takes to build a supply chain of hardware that doesn't suck (if it takes 2 years to get moving: you need to start wit…

> Your standard is "succeed against Google and Apple within 13 years..."

Absolutely not. My standard is the many other AOSP-based ROMs communities and companies that were founded around them, having success within a few years - yes, they could lean on the ecosystem compatibility and didn't produce their own hardware, but maybe that's a more viable way to start?

"shoestring budget with no volume discounts" does not explain the points of criticism above.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by dijit »

poisonborz wrote: post #31
dijit wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project Realistically building a production quality database takes 10 years. Building a production quality game engine takes 10 years. They're building a mobile operating system and the hardware it runs on; that's harder and a moving target. How long do you think it takes to build a supply chain of hardware that doesn't suck (if it takes 2 years to get moving: you need to start wit…

> Your standard is "succeed against Google and Apple within 13 years..." Absolutely not. My standard is the many other AOSP-based ROMs communities and companies that were founded around them, having success within a few years - yes, they could lean on the ecosystem compatibility and didn't produce their own hardware, but maybe that's a more viable way to start? "shoestring budget with no volume discounts" does not ex…

AOSP is just a totally different destination, it's not a faster route to the same one.

Sailfish is spiritually MeeGo: actual Linux on the phone, not a custom skin on Google's foundations. Obviously it's faster to build a kit-car than a car factory, I don't see how that's a rebuttal, it's an entirely different conversation.

An AOSP fork on Qualcomm hardware isn't independence. Jolla are actually trying to build the factory.

The $50 fee and tablet scandal are fair hits- but fuck-ups don't make you a grifter, and we've forgiven larger players far worse.

You still haven't said what you'd actually do.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by polar »

rzerowan wrote: post #3

This is why i keep saying the Jolla management neds a rethink. Its 2026 GraphenOS is in a partnership with Motorola while Jolla is still doing early 2K style kickstarter campaigns. The market is there , product is loved and ppeople have proved they are willing to take some pain adopting the product.But still the execution to serve that market is shambolic to say the least.

Jolla does have an arrangement with Sony, so there are a few other device options: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by kevvok »

toast0 wrote: post #14
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they're aiming to serve the EU and UK (and Norway and Switzerland) markets only. Although, with that said, the page for the September 2026 phone says this ( https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 ): > LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 > LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 > 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41,…

> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere. Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination. But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in covera…

Also missing Band 13, which is Verizon’s main band for coverage

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by poulpy123 »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by HNisCIS »

poulpy123 wrote: post #37
nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.
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