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Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

#31
I'm really confused by the self-aggrandizing here, muddying up the discussion

how good is the M5 Max in comparison to a 96-core threadripper? what's the tl;dr, where are the broader assortments of benchmarks

I just want to see some bargraphs that say "lower is better" or "higher is better"

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, in practice, despite nonspecific marketing language, people do use the multicore benchmark to measure multicore performance. Including for things like Threadripper, which is not exactly an exotic science project CPU or non-personal or non-desktop.

> Including for things like Threadripper, which is not exactly an exotic science project CPU or non-personal or non-desktop. We're talking about a CPU with a list price over $10000. Geekbench 6 is a bad test to use to assess the suitability of a 96-core Threadripper for the kinds of use cases where buying a 96-core Threadripper might make sense. But Geekbench 6 does a very good job of illustrating the point that buyi…

Holy hell. Lol. I did not realize how generous $PREVIOUS_EMPLOYER was.

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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Phoronix is terrible in terms of clickbait and deliberate ragebait, and its comment section is a toxic cesspool, but its benchmarks generally seem sound. What issues have you observed with their benchmark suite?

What clickbait and ragebait? Example?

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

#35

I'm really confused by the self-aggrandizing here, muddying up the discussion how good is the M5 Max in comparison to a 96-core threadripper? what's the tl;dr, where are the broader assortments of benchmarks I just want to see some bargraphs that say "lower is better" or "higher is better"

Since M5 Max hasn't been released yet there's only one leaked benchmark so far which is Geekbench and everybody is (over)analyzing that score. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/apples-18-co...

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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GeekBench probably made the right choice to optimize for more realistic real-world workloads than for the more specific workloads that benefit from really high core counts. GeekBench is supposed to be a proxy for common use case performance. High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count,…

>"High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count, a CPU with fewer cores and higher single threaded throughput would be faster for normal use cases."

I design multithreaded backends that benefit from as many cores as possible while not being a champion in a single core task. I think this is very common use case.

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

#37
post #5

GeekBench probably made the right choice to optimize for more realistic real-world workloads than for the more specific workloads that benefit from really high core counts. GeekBench is supposed to be a proxy for common use case performance. High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count,…

Geekbench 6 Multi-Core is fundamentally a single-task benchmark. It measures performance in workloads, where the user is not running anything significant in the background. If you are a developer who wants to continue using the computer while compiling a large project in the background, Geekbench results are not particularly informative for you.

I've personally found that Apple's Pro/Max chips have already too many CPU cores for Geekbench.

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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post #36
post #5

GeekBench probably made the right choice to optimize for more realistic real-world workloads than for the more specific workloads that benefit from really high core counts. GeekBench is supposed to be a proxy for common use case performance. High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count,…

>"High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count, a CPU with fewer cores and higher single threaded throughput would be faster for normal use cases." I design multithreaded backends that benefit from as many cores as possible while not being a champion in a single core task. I think this…

Maybe I’m misunderstand what you’re saying, but designing multithreaded backends is not a very common use case.

Most computer use cases don’t involve software development at all.

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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post #5

GeekBench probably made the right choice to optimize for more realistic real-world workloads than for the more specific workloads that benefit from really high core counts. GeekBench is supposed to be a proxy for common use case performance. High core count CPUs are only useful for specific workloads and should not be purchased as general purpose fast CPUs. Unless you’re doing specific tasks that scale by core count,…

Buried in the middle of that article:

> Furthermore, many of the suite’s multi-threaded subtests scale efficiently only to roughly 8 – 32 threads, which leaves much of such CPUs' parallel capacity idle, but which creates an almost perfect environment for Apple's CPUs that feature a relatively modest number of cores

Invalidates the entire comparison really, and should have canned the article if they had any integrity.

Re: Does Apple‘s M5 Max Really “Destroy” a 96-Core Threadripper?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phoronix is terrible in terms of clickbait and deliberate ragebait, and its comment section is a toxic cesspool, but its benchmarks generally seem sound. What issues have you observed with their benchmark suite?

Given the username of the account you're replying to, and the implausibility of a Phoronix reader being unaware of Tom's Hardware, I think you may have been baited by a troll.

I just didn't know their methodology was worse than Phoronix'.
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