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US economy unexpectedly sheds 92k jobs in February

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Re: US economy unexpectedly sheds 92k jobs in February

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Post by hparadiz »

01100011 wrote: post #639
hparadiz wrote: post #454

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Quite the opposite. I just spent the past month "vibe coding" a pretty serious program in C. The tldr is yea I can build faster but I'm still sitting there testing, debugging, and focusing on specific features as I go and that's still a human limitation. The AI productivity is pivoted directly into higher complexity of features. It's not a magic wand that immediately builds a program that works perfectly out of the b…

And that's cool but your experience is not what the market is trading. The vibe is that vibe-coding will come together in the next few years and SW margins will be hit. That doesn't mean it's the reality, just that it is what the market is thinking.

Yes. I'm saying the market is wrong.

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Post by epistasis »

newfriend wrote: post #520
epistasis wrote: post #509

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I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn…

So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.

Admit what? Trump is open about the racial nature of deportations, and witnesses say the same.

If you want to bring stats into it, the baseline is to try to disprove what everyone already knows.

Assuming something is false just because it makes Trump look bad, in your eyes, is a very biased take on the world. Just listen to his own words, he's not ashamed of the racial nature of the deportations, it doesn't "make him look bad" because its a feature not a bug.

Re: US economy unexpectedly sheds 92k jobs in February

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Post by dmoy »

ModernMech wrote: post #632
dmoy wrote: post #524

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I don't doubt that Trump would take guns away from people who don't support him. It's kinda right out of an authoritarian playbook. Not sure what that has to do with what I said though.

Because you presented a dichotomy in which the Democrats are a party intent to "make all your guns illegal", yet that is not their position as a party. Indeed the last Democratic presidential nominee made very clear she owns guns and likes the 2nd amendment. The opposite is true of Republicans: their party platform is literally "whatever Trump wants", and Trump has actually articulated circumventing the second amendm…

Ah yea sorry, I meant literally my guns, as in the ones I use for service rifle competition. Those guns specifically, like the practical ones, are definitely on the docket. In fact if I moved to my current state today, I wouldn't be able to bring my guns.

Yes they will allow me to have a deer rifle with a 5-10rd capacity.

Re: US economy unexpectedly sheds 92k jobs in February

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Post by nradov »

magicalist wrote: post #603
nradov wrote: post #584

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Sure, those things can happen. A lot of younger people will decide to just accept the risk, and then if they get hit by a bad and expensive health issue then they'll go to the ER anyway. Due to EMTALA, most hospitals have to treat them regardless of ability to pay. This is one of the factors causing the US healthcare financing system to collapse.

> Due to EMTALA, most hospitals have to treat them regardless of ability to pay. This is one of the factors causing the US healthcare financing system to collapse. They'll only treat you until you're stabilized, though. They won't give you chemo or routine care. If you need to be admitted you're also not covered by the EMTALA. All emergency medicine, not just that triggered by the EMTALA, is 5-6% of all healthcare sp…

Hospital costs attributed to EMTALA are relatively low today. My point is we should expect those costs to grow as more consumers become uninsured. This is one of several factors that will eventually wreck the current healthcare financing system.

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Post by simonh »

rootusrootus wrote: post #513
h2zizzle wrote: post #481

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Seems like something that shouldn't be left up to a consumer market.

What percentage of the market actually pays it this way? IIRC, somewhere north of a third of Americans are already on a form of single payer healthcare. Most of the remainder are getting it through their job, subsidized to varying degrees. The fraction of the population that actually pays the full premiums out of their own pocket is pretty limited, AFAIK.

I think it's also worth considering that taxpayer funded US government spending on health care is about the same as in a typical single-payer European country. Then many tax payers still have to pay for private health care on top, to actually get health care for themselves.

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Post by throw0101d »

hyperpape wrote: post #415
throw0101d wrote: post #249

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> I recently went back for a funeral, and I had to spend a moment reminding myself that it would be fine for me. Your passport does not matter, the colour of your skin does: "US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’": * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/05/us-citizens-... "A U.S. citizen says ICE forced open the door to his Minnesota home and removed him in his underwear af…

Don't put words in my mouth, don't say silly things. I'm well aware the color your skin matters a lot, but your passport also matters, especially at the border. You're better off with white skin and a US passport than with white skin and a British passport, but you're also better off with brown skin and a US passport than brown skin and a British passport and that's still better than brown skin and a third-world pass…

> I'm well aware the color your skin matters a lot, but your passport also matters, especially at the border.

The way things are currently operating, the border is probably the place you have to worry the least as it's staffed by CBP folks which have probably had training: it's the rest of the country with ICE randos running around that seem to be the worrisome areas. Just ask the South Koreans:

* https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/12/s...

> You're better off with white skin and a US passport than with white skin and a British passport, but you're also better off with brown skin and a US passport than brown skin and a British passport […]

Are we talking at the border or the rest of the country? At the border with CBP a US passport would probably be best. With the rest of the country, with ICE, white skin and a British (or any) passports would probably be 'best'.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

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Post by nradov »

magicalist wrote: post #605
nradov wrote: post #590

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That's true to an extent, but the majority of US healthcare spending goes to treating chronic conditions caused more by lifestyle choices than misfortune. There's a fundamental issue in public health policy about individual responsibility and whether to charge people more (or potentially even deny care) over factors at least partially under their control. For example, the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) allows health…

> There are no clear right or wrong answers here. Absolutely, but there are lots of working, existing models that are better than ours in practice, so this isn't much of an excuse.

That's a meaningless statement. You can find many examples of "working" national healthcare systems (for various definitions of working) and they're all different in how they allocate costs to consumers.

For one example there are some positive aspects to the Japanese system in that they achieve good outcomes (on average) at lower costs. But that's partly due to the "Metabo Law" aka "fat tax" which voters in other countries might see as punitive or discriminatory. I'm not necessarily arguing for any particular approach to lifestyle-related health conditions but any choice involves trade-offs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/07/japan-solved-obe...

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Post by hyperpape »

throw0101d wrote: post #656
hyperpape wrote: post #415

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Don't put words in my mouth, don't say silly things. I'm well aware the color your skin matters a lot, but your passport also matters, especially at the border. You're better off with white skin and a US passport than with white skin and a British passport, but you're also better off with brown skin and a US passport than brown skin and a British passport and that's still better than brown skin and a third-world pass…

> I'm well aware the color your skin matters a lot, but your passport also matters, especially at the border. The way things are currently operating, the border is probably the place you have to worry the least as it's staffed by CBP folks which have probably had training: it's the rest of the country with ICE randos running around that seem to be the worrisome areas. Just ask the South Koreans: * https://www.theguar…

Good observation, I meant at the border. Your passport won't matter that much if you get stopped by a cop.

But also, look carefully at the comparisons I offered. I didn't include all the combinations, because I only was including comparisons that were obviously true without any room for ambiguity or nitpicking.

As you noted, a black citizen might be treated better at the border and worse during a traffic stop compared to a white foreigner.

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Post by coder68 »

0xy wrote: post #554
bosch_mind wrote: post #145

I grew up in the US and lived there for 30 years, but now I live in Europe. Every single one of my friends in their 30's finds visiting the US absolutely terrifying (even those who have previously been). I have yet to meet a single friend in today's day that has expressed any interest in visiting.

A Senior Software Engineer in Stockholm can expect to make less money than a Graduate Software Engineer in the United States, and will pay more taxes. It's simple, as a technologist, you live in Europe if retirement isn't important for you. Because you'll have almost nothing to show for it after 30 years in tech in Europe.

The tradeoff with many EU countries would be that they enjoy their leisure time a lot more and sooner than Americans. Americans make more and save more statistically, but they spend it on cars, houses, and medical care, and generally have way less free time. So I think it's a wash.
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