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Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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In a broader context, both labs are engaging in "safety theater".

Neither know how to solve the alignment problem while market pressures are making them race towards capabilities (long horizon, continual learning) that will have disastrous consequences .

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This. The OpenAI grift is to make itself too big to fail. They are playing a game of chicken ahead of the election circus. Trump must keep the market alive until November. Nvidia, Micron, Oracle, Microsoft are cooked when and if they pop.

IMHO everyone needs to cancel there subscriptions with all of the ai products until stuff blows over. I don't trust anyone in this industry.There is probably one person or one group behind all of these AI companies that just needs to keep the engine going until they figure out how to replace everyone with bots that can do the dirty work.

there’s a lot of financial incentive to start ur own lab if u can, and invest in as many as u are able

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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You might want to read about the War Production Board during World War II. Established by a presidential executive order no less.

Wasn't that for defense during an actual war started by another country? Legit war time measures can be a thing (that's why it's fucked if president can just start a war and then use that as excuse for any war time measures they like)

"Legit war time measures" is not a thing. If Congress declares war on Cuba or Venezuale for example, people who do not support it will not see the measures as "legit". The US has a lot of precedent of bombing/invading other countries at the whim of presidents without actually calling it a war for decades.

And for better or worse, it is actually good that it is like this. Otherwise, if Congress declares war on Iran or China or whatever, the whole country will be put on a war footing, companies will be directed to build whatever the Pentagon says it needs, drafts will be enforced and so on. And it would be pretty ugly.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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For consumer ChatGPT accounts, go to their privacy portal [1] and, first, delete your GPTs, and then, second, delete your account. [1] https://privacy.openai.com/policies?modal=take-control

How do I cancel my subscription to the DoW? The bigger picture is that the DoW got what it wanted and it got it by threatening one company while the other did its bidding.

By voting.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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I’m not sure that “killer robot” is the actual concern outside of media hyperbole. I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found some…

> I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found something valid. I'm sorry, you've just literally described a "killer robot" in more…

The only saving grace is that the killbots had a pre-set kill limit which I exceeded by throwing wave after wave of my own men at them until they simply shut down.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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I’m not sure that “killer robot” is the actual concern outside of media hyperbole. I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found some…

Dario himself said that he was against using Claude to build a fully automated weapon because the technology was far from perfect, so he didn't want to hurt our soldiers or innocent people. I think his description matched a killer robot, and I don't agree with his reasoning because it's not like the military researchers didn't have the agency to find out what works and what doesn't.

On the other hand military researchers once considered training pigeons to act as torpedo guidance systems by pecking on levers.

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> OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets for itself." I believe this understanding is correct. The issue many people have these days with Dept. of War, and most of Trump admin is that they have little respect for laws. They only follow the ones they like and openly ignore the ones that are inconvenient. Dept of "War" should have zero problems agreeing to the two conditi…

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The problem here is that this department claims its adversaries are Americans. Do you think antropic should aid in the killing of Americans?

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When @sama announced within hours that OAI was replacing Anthropic with the "same conditions ", it was clear that either the DoW or OAI (or both) were fudging. DoW balked at Anthropic's conditions so OAI's agreement must have made the "conditions" basically unenforceable. And sure enough, my reading of it left the impression the OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets fo…

per other Snowden comments, “all lawful use” means whatever we want it to mean.

Secret FISA court decisions will say the use is lawful, but you’ll never get to read or challenge those decisions.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Let's just not put Dario / Anthropic on an undeserved pedestal. "Well, they're not as bad as Sam / OpenAI" is not, and should not be, much of a compliment.

Could you please elaborate on why the pedestal is "undeserved" when they are willing to stick up for their principals at the expense of being designated a SCR? Could you point me to one other $300B+ company that would be willing to do this?

https://time.com/7380854/exclusive-anthropic-drops-flagship-...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47145963

Just trying to make sure folks aren't getting ahead of themselves, without having put some custom thought into it.

If you want to put them on a pedestal for reasons that make sense to you, all good.

If others are encouraged to form their own opinions by taking some pause for thought, then all the better.

If Anthropic still end up on the pedestal, it must be for the right reasons, as opposed to 'just because they're not the currently discussed villain'.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Reportedly, Anthropic didn't know about Claude's role in capturing Maduro until they saw it on the headlines.

And why would they have an objection to that? They sold a product to a customer. They should have no business in how that customer uses their software.

I'd hate to break it to you, but companies do have a right to determine how their products are used. You were subject to that when you wrote that comment. Did you not notice that?
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