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Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Nice assertion. Please provide citations, substance, or anything other than “you’re wrong definitely.”

Iunno, this seems pretty dystopian to me: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/01/report-ice-using-palan...

The government knowing where you live is neither surveillance nor dystopian.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

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It’s a service. Democracy doesn’t give the government the right to force you to perform a service.

The technology isn’t suitable for the purposes the regime wants.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Like others have already mentioned: I think Anthropic's relationship with Palantir undermines Amodei's narrative here. It actually feels like Dario is playing Sam's game better than Sam is.

Those who know better please correct me. My current understanding of Palantir (and other surveillance tech companies like Peregrine) is:

1. They facilitate the sale of data to law enforcement, enabling the government to circumvent fourth amendment protections.

2. They fuse cross-government agency data through Foundry and fuse them into unified profiles which the government can use to surveil and pressure citizens without probable cause or a warrant.

ICE also uses a Palantir tool called ELITE to build deportation target lists.

EDIT: Downvoting my comment without any proper rebuttal or clarification is pretty silly.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

This is very easy to explain. Anthropic outlines some limitations in their terms of service. Palantir accepted those terms. The DoD did not. OpenAI claims their terms of service for DoD contain the same limitations as Anthropics proposed service agreement. Anthropic claims that this is untrue. Now given that (a) the DoD terminated their deal with Anthropic, (b) stated that they terminated because Anthropic refused mo…

Yeah, it never made sense when Sam immediately said that they had the same constraints yet de DoW immediately agreed with that.

From what I can see, OpenAI’s terms basically say “need to comply with the law”, which provides them with plenty of wiggle room with executive orders and whatnot.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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> signed up with surveillance company Palantir Just to nitpick, Palantir isn't doing surveillance like Flock. They do data integration the way IBM does under contract for the governments. Some data pipelines include law enforcement surveillance data which get integrated with other software/databases to help police analyze it. There's no evidence they are collecting it themselves despite recent headlines. It's a relat…

They are providing the software to do surveillance, They are definetly bad actors, you can dance around this all you want, but they are in it.

It is an important distinction.

It’s the same with Facebook selling user data. Neither selling your data, like the carriers do, or selling the ability to target you with your data, like Facebook does, are very nice. But legally they are separate things that need to be regulated differently. As is the case with Flock and Palantir.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are providing the software to do surveillance, They are definetly bad actors, you can dance around this all you want, but they are in it.

Nice assertion. Please provide citations, substance, or anything other than “you’re wrong definitely.”

https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-a-surveillance-state-i...

https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-uses-slur-to-describe-peopl...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/palantir-ceo-defends-su...

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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When @sama announced within hours that OAI was replacing Anthropic with the "same conditions ", it was clear that either the DoW or OAI (or both) were fudging. DoW balked at Anthropic's conditions so OAI's agreement must have made the "conditions" basically unenforceable.

And sure enough, my reading of it left the impression the OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets for itself."

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

This is very easy to explain. Anthropic outlines some limitations in their terms of service. Palantir accepted those terms. The DoD did not. OpenAI claims their terms of service for DoD contain the same limitations as Anthropics proposed service agreement. Anthropic claims that this is untrue. Now given that (a) the DoD terminated their deal with Anthropic, (b) stated that they terminated because Anthropic refused mo…

“We’ve actually held our red lines with integrity rather than colluding with them to produce ‘safety theater’ for the benefit of employees (which, I absolutely swear to you, is what literally everyone at [the Pentagon], Palantir, our political consultants, etc, assumed was the problem we were trying to solve),” Amodei reportedly wrote.

“The real reasons [the Pentagon] and the Trump admin do not like us is that we haven’t donated to Trump (while OpenAI/Greg have donated a lot),” he wrote, referring to Greg Brockman, OpenAI’s president, who gave a Pac supporting Trump $25m in conjunction with his wife.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/04/sam-altma...

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

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The government works for the people, not the other way around. For the people, by the people and of the people.

If you don't question people in positions of power they will just do whatever they want. Democracy is sustained by action, not by acquiescence.

And with the lawlessness of this administration, I would make it a point to hold them accountable. I'm not going to let them do mass surveillance when they decide to change the law.

Are you native, or just ignoring what is going on?

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

> signed up with surveillance company Palantir Just to nitpick, Palantir isn't doing surveillance like Flock. They do data integration the way IBM does under contract for the governments. Some data pipelines include law enforcement surveillance data which get integrated with other software/databases to help police analyze it. There's no evidence they are collecting it themselves despite recent headlines. It's a relat…

Their data integration and sale allows for the government to surveil citizens without probable cause or warrants.
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