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Post by freakynit »

Spooky23 wrote: post #62
df2dfs wrote: post #8

What's there to discuss? OAI is seeking a hand-out from the govt to save their asses. They (Sam + top-management) see the writing on the wall and need help.

This. The OpenAI grift is to make itself too big to fail. They are playing a game of chicken ahead of the election circus. Trump must keep the market alive until November. Nvidia, Micron, Oracle, Microsoft are cooked when and if they pop.

Is there a term for such a recurring cycle in which speculative bubbles form, institutions and governments collaborate/collude to sustain them, and when the system finally reaches a breaking point the bubble collapses... leaving the public to absorb the losses while those responsible largely walk away with their pay and bonuses intact?

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Post by derwiki »

behnamoh wrote: post #20

Neither Anthro nor OAI are trustworthy. Local AI all the way. And when I say local, I mean Apple Silicon; I don't like to contribute to Nvidia's monopoly either (fuck "buy a GPU"; the guy is an Nvidia-sponsored "influencer").

What are you having good luck with on Apple Silicon? Or is this more of a statement for when local AI becomes “good enough?”

(FWIW I am with you; I haven’t found a local model that works well enough to be a daily driver)

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Post by waterproof »

ting0 wrote: post #145
hendzen wrote: post #92

@pg on @sama: "you could parachute him into an island full of cannibals and come back in 5 years and he'd be the king." In retrospect this quote comes across as way more foreboding given what we've learned about the scale of his ambitions and his willingness to lie and bend reality to gain power. Dario on the other hand seems to have an integrity that's particularly rare in this era. I hope he remains strong in the f…

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Hmm I know quite a few real people pushing QuitGPT and none of them work for Anthropic.

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by el_benhameen »

ncallaway wrote: post #90
el_benhameen wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure that “killer robot” is the actual concern outside of media hyperbole. I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found some…

> I’m imagining a loitering munition-type drone that has some kind of targeting package loaded into it with different parameters describing what it should seek and destroy. Instead of waiting for intelligence and using human command to put the munition on target, it hangs out and then engages when it’s certain enough that it’s found something valid. I'm sorry, you've just literally described a "killer robot" in more…

Yeah, I guess my point is that “killer robot” evokes a terminator-like image for a lot of people. Something that marches around and kills of its own accord. I don’t like either one, but I don’t think they’re the same thing.

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Post by waterproof »

pfisherman wrote: post #37
6Az4Mj4D wrote: post #3

Leaving autonomous weapons aside, how does Anthropic justifies that they signed up with surveillance company Palantir and now raising concerns for same surveillance with DoD? It doesn't match.

This is very easy to explain. Anthropic outlines some limitations in their terms of service. Palantir accepted those terms. The DoD did not. OpenAI claims their terms of service for DoD contain the same limitations as Anthropics proposed service agreement. Anthropic claims that this is untrue. Now given that (a) the DoD terminated their deal with Anthropic, (b) stated that they terminated because Anthropic refused mo…

Sam donated $1M to Trump's inaugural fund. Dario did not.

http://magamoney.fyi/executives/samuel-h-altman/

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Post by kouteiheika »

estearum wrote: post #42
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #19

Meanwhile Anthropic has no issues with helping Palantir... HypocrAIsy...

Not hypocritical at all if you knew what Palantir actually does

Help kill people[1]?

[1] -- https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/07/24/thiel-pal...

Re: Dario Amodei calls OpenAI’s messaging around military deal ‘straight up lies’

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Post by fmajid »

mrandish wrote: post #57

When @sama announced within hours that OAI was replacing Anthropic with the "same conditions ", it was clear that either the DoW or OAI (or both) were fudging. DoW balked at Anthropic's conditions so OAI's agreement must have made the "conditions" basically unenforceable. And sure enough, my reading of it left the impression the OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets fo…

Or, as is likely, OpenAI models have no guardrails, Anthropic's did and the DoD was bumping into them.

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Post by dmix »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #60
dmix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> signed up with surveillance company Palantir Just to nitpick, Palantir isn't doing surveillance like Flock. They do data integration the way IBM does under contract for the governments. Some data pipelines include law enforcement surveillance data which get integrated with other software/databases to help police analyze it. There's no evidence they are collecting it themselves despite recent headlines. It's a relat…

Their data integration and sale allows for the government to surveil citizens without probable cause or warrants.

The solution is still no different than a decade ago. Far stricter laws on intelligence, federal and local police surveillance, and a reduction in executive power which oversteps checks and balances.

There will always be another IT company willing to do integrations even if Palantir dies. Software isn’t going away.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

cheema33 wrote: post #68
mrandish wrote: post #57

When @sama announced within hours that OAI was replacing Anthropic with the "same conditions ", it was clear that either the DoW or OAI (or both) were fudging. DoW balked at Anthropic's conditions so OAI's agreement must have made the "conditions" basically unenforceable. And sure enough, my reading of it left the impression the OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets fo…

> OAI conditions were basically "DoW won't do anything which violates the rules DoW sets for itself." I believe this understanding is correct. The issue many people have these days with Dept. of War, and most of Trump admin is that they have little respect for laws. They only follow the ones they like and openly ignore the ones that are inconvenient. Dept of "War" should have zero problems agreeing to the two conditi…

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Post by dmix »

clipsy wrote: post #31
dmix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> signed up with surveillance company Palantir Just to nitpick, Palantir isn't doing surveillance like Flock. They do data integration the way IBM does under contract for the governments. Some data pipelines include law enforcement surveillance data which get integrated with other software/databases to help police analyze it. There's no evidence they are collecting it themselves despite recent headlines. It's a relat…

> They do data integration the way IBM does under contract for the governments Good thing IBM's data integration was never used for ill! Oh, wait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_World_War_II

Oracle started by building databases for the CIA
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