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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Apple, if you are reading this, I'm not investing into new hardware until you fix the mess that is Tahoe. My M1 MAX is doing fine atm.

They are listening, MAXing out is a loud signal that they're doing great, how would you like your liquid glass served?

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Yeah no it didn’t. If you have a fully speced out M3/4 MacBook with enough memory you’re running pretty decent models locally already. But no one is using local models anyway.

With OpenClaw and powerful local models like Kimi 2.5, these specs make a lot of sense.

I’m not sure what model I’d trust locally with anything meaningful in Openclaw. The smaller/simpler the model is, the greater the chance of fluff answers is.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Not related to this release, but their trade-in for old hardware is a joke to me. My 2019 MBP i9 2.4GHz w/64GB RAM and 2TB SSD is worth $200. It seems to me that they don't even want a trade-in; it makes much more sense to me to just keep the old MBP and use it as a dev server, home assistant, docker hub thing or something.

Sell it on eBay instead. I saw a post today where an M4 pro MacBook that cost 4k last year has a trade in value of 1.1k now.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Now that every CEO has their own reality distortion field I wonder if it's even worth calling out any more.

No current CEO has a RDF comparable to Jobs. Musk is probably closest, but he’s become so involved in partisan politics it makes his field far less effective at distorting reality.

Elon Musk would put Apple's money sloshing about over the years to better uses than failing to build one battery electric vehicle costing $1 billion a year over many years.

He doesn't have a RDF but has Kardashev Scale Intent (KSI).

The lobbyists in the political fray are out to steal his value for money lunch despite his demonstrated effectiveness, over and over again.

Jobs couldn't even engage the politicians to give away or at discount the Apple ][ to education.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Yeah no it didn’t. If you have a fully speced out M3/4 MacBook with enough memory you’re running pretty decent models locally already. But no one is using local models anyway.

If your company can afford fully speced out M3/4 MacBook, then it can also afford cloud AI costs.

cost isn't even close to the main motivating factor for my context

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I upgraded to an M3 Pro from an M1 Pro. I sold my M1 Pro at 90% of the original cost (not even exaggerating) on Facebook marketplace AFTER 2 YEARS. I thought the buyer was insane to buy it at that price. But, of course mine had a decent spec and still had the Apple care warranty with very low battery cycle count. After the sale, the buyer told me the truth: The M1 is the best chip Apple ever made and I wouldn't see m…

M3 was a weird generation, as they contained fewer transistors than the previous ones. It is slightly faster in single core tasks, and has a few more cores, but they are very close. But in terms of gpu, m3s are quite nerfed esp because they lowered the memory bandwidth, so on llm performance they are on par. I have both an m3 and an M1 Max, one of them from work, so I have tested them extensively (though the m3 is bi…

Wow! Thanks for sharing. I didn't know this. Time to upgrade to M5? What do you think about the M5? I know it's too early for tests. But I would love to hear your opinion.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…

The 4x comes from the neural accelerators (tensor core in NVIDIA jargon). It's 4x fp16 over the vector path (And 8x compared to M1 because at some point they 2x'd the fp16 vector path). Therefore LLM prefill(context processing/TTFT), diffusion models (image gen), and e.g. video and photo effects that make use of them can be up to 4x faster. At fp16 that's the same speed at the same clock as NVIDIA. But NVIDIA still has 2xfp8 and 4xnvfp4.

Batch-1 token generation, that is often quoted, does not benefit from this. It's purely RAM bandwidth-limited.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I think the key stats are this (for m5 max) M5 128GB RAM with 614GB/s memory transfer This is a huge step over M4 32GB 153GB/s memory transfer For local LLM this make it a replacement for a DGX Spark, which offers a third of the transfer speed and is not something you toss in your backpack as your laptop. It’s practically useful for a lot of local use cases and that I think is the 4x factor (memory xfer) - but the 12…

You are comparing a M5 Max to a base M4. The M4 Max has 546 GB/s compared to 614GB/s for the M5 Max. Which is like 12% faster not 4x.

What is truly amazing is the M1 Max is 400GB/s. 5 years later and we still only hit 1.5x on memory bandwidth. It's quite fascinating how high Apple spec'd it back then with apparently little foreknowledge of how important memory bandwidth would become, and then conversely how little they've managed to improve it now when it's so obvious how important it is.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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"The new MacBook Pro gets up to 24 hours of battery life, giving Intel-based upgraders up to 13 additional hours" I have a Intel-based 2019 Macbook Pro still and I have NEVER in its lifetime gotten even half of what they are claiming here. These days if I run it from battery I might get 90 mins. That said I had a maxed out Macbook Pro M4 Max on order but just cancelled it right now and will get this new M5 Max one fo…

> That said I had a maxed out Macbook Pro M4 Max on order but just cancelled it right now and will get this new M5 Max one for basically the same price.

You sadly just missed the window or cancelled too soon.

Normally if your current order is in progress they swap it out for the best closest spec for the exact same price you ordered the M4.

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