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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by pvtmert »

kylec wrote: post #227
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #203

$5000 laptop you have to pay to add a power adapter… gratuitous penny pinching from Tim Cook's Apple. It's one of those things, yes if I'm spending that much on a laptop I can afford to spend $80 on the adapter too, but does it feel good as a customer to do that or are you souring the experience of buying from you just to earn a few more dollars.

I'm assuming you're in the EU or UK, Apple is required by law to not include a power adapter: https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/15/eu-gets-what-it-a... In the US they provide one in the box free of charge.

Nope, they are required to have an option to opt-out from adapter. They choose to charge for one!

https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/16/no-the-eu-didnt-ban-apple-fro...

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by maxverse »

rajma wrote: post #499
bob1029 wrote: post #244

I feel like Apple pulled an Instant Pot with the M1 MacBook Pro. I still haven't had a single situation where I felt like spending more money would improve my experience. The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter.

M1 pro MacBook pro here as well. Just today I was thinking I have no need to upgrade until M7 and by then maybe even MacBook Air would do. Especially since I will have my home server (dgx spark) available for anything serious anyway. So excited for the Mac studio configs though. M5 ultra 1TB would be a huge leap for serious home server builders.

I use an M1 for personal development an an M4 for work. I'm a typical dev. I don't feel any difference.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by gslepak »

jbellis wrote: post #298

I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…

That is talking about battery life, not AI tasks. Footnote 53, where it says, "Up to 18 hours battery life":

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

bigyabai wrote: post #402
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #393

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The increased adoption of webviews has resulted in a death by a thousand cuts effect on Windows 11 performance. The speed bump that comes from going from an up to date Windows 11 install to a up to date Windows 10 install on the same machine is stunning… W10 is much more snappy in every regard despite being nearly identical functionally speaking. I won’t try to claim that Electron and friends have no place is softwar…

> but we absolutely should be pushing back Every modern desktop uses webviews in some capacity. macOS renders many apps with webviews, GNOME uses gjs to script half the desktop. The time to push back was 10-20 years ago, it's too late to revert now.

They’re still fairly uncommon in macOS, mostly being used in places related to cloud service settings. SwiftUI and Catalyst (iOS bridge) are both much more common than webviews, and AppKit remains ubiquitous.

Meanwhile on Windows major features like the Start menu are written in React.

Worth noting that WebKit webviews also tend to be more lightweight than their Chromium brethren.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by sgt »

jsheard wrote: post #396
sgt wrote: post #373

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In practice, you can really go a long way on 16GB on a Mac with unified memory. I like to say it's comparable to 32GB during the old Intel days.

RAM is still RAM, the switch from crusty HDDs to fast NVMe SSDs may have helped to smooth things over when you spill into swap but it's not going to do miracles.

RAM isn't just RAM though. Unified memory on Apple Silicon provides significantly better memory management and efficiency compared to trad RAM

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #425
jermaustin1 wrote: post #266

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Worse than that, they hold their value, so buying a used M1 mini is still a few hundred bucks, and saving $200-300 by purchasing a 5 generation older mini seems like a bad deal in comparison.

Someone came to be excited they got a "deal" on the newest Intel Mac Mini for hosting OpenClaw. 8GB model for $300. I kind of regret bursting their bubble by telling them you can walk over to Costco (nearest one at time of discussion was walking distance) and pay $550 for one with an M4 and 16GB of RAM.

Up until a week ago, the base m4 mini (16gb ram/256gb ssd) was $399 at microcenter, now $499. Pretty shocking how good of a value that is IMO.

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Post by LTL_FTC »

manmal wrote: post #513
dawnerd wrote: post #243

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My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

Some of my M1 MBP Max keys are losing their coating, and the battery is at 74% capacity. At some point soon I'll need a service. But other than that, I have no real complaints. Even the case edge where my arms constantly rest doesn't look too bad. My next MBP will have 128GB memory, but these prices just wanna make me wait longer.

Those keys are easily replaced, my friend.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by derefr »

lastdong wrote: post #423
jbellis wrote: post #298

I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…

14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization seems rather small

I think these aren't meant to be representative of arbitrary userland-workload LLM inferences, but rather the kinds of tasks macOS might spin up a background LLM inference for. Like the Apple Intelligence stuff, or Photos auto-tagging, etc. You wouldn't want the OS to ever be spinning up a model that uses 98% of RAM, so Apple probably considers themselves to have at most 50% of RAM as working headroom for any such workloads.

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Post by jayde2767 »

dana321 wrote: post #462
re-thc wrote: post #454

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Next is the fps of an AI playing Crysis.

Or tasks per minute of the AI doing your job for you

That measurement will be AI assembling MacBook pros vs human assemblers: number of units per hour, day, or whatever unit is most applicable.
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