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Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by ho_schi »

r0fl wrote: post #112
thoughtpalette wrote: post #8

Still holding onto my 13 mini. Dreaming of another small form factor release one of these announcements.. :'}

It always surprises me that the mini was ~1% of sales and yet the pro mini comments get so many upvotes

Tenth of millions of devices were sold (somewhere between 20 to 35 Million?). You could build multiple plants for it, with government funding in Europe.

The MBAs at Apple noticed:

    * Big size is a status symbol in Asia. And TV replacement. Their a lot of people in Asia.
    * Due to vendor lock-in people need to purchase anyway. So just sell them the standard phone.
They got the sales anyway. We don’t have a “functional market”. But Apples marketing was weird. They named it Mini instead of Compact or Air. And launched it against the SE? A lot people already refused to move from the SE 1st Gen to the Mini, to due the increased size and missing TouchID.

So Apple assumed people want even bigger Max or Air. The Air which is actually much thicker most other phones. Both seem to fail.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by Someone »

brightbeige wrote: post #395
danielvaughn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make fun of me but I'll never skip a chance to complain about how large these phones are. I hate it so much. I have a standard iPhone, not a max, and it causes real pain in my wrist if I use it too much. Was honestly thinking about downgrading to the last SE model even though it's several years out of date.

I have a pet theory about increasing phone sizes > Screen size is area (x^2) and battery size is volume (x^3). As battery life is a critical feature, a bigger screen supports (a nonlinear) better battery life. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44588733

I think it’s even better than that. Your cellular modem (on all the time) scales at O(1) with phone size. Same for on-board tasks that do not involve the screen. Powering your RAM (also on all the time) is similar, but larger (more expensive) phones may tend to have more RAM.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by dijit »

carefree-bob wrote: post #365
danielvaughn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make fun of me but I'll never skip a chance to complain about how large these phones are. I hate it so much. I have a standard iPhone, not a max, and it causes real pain in my wrist if I use it too much. Was honestly thinking about downgrading to the last SE model even though it's several years out of date.

I want to +1 every comment in this thread. Phones are too big now. I don't understand Apple's weird obsessions, first trying to make all the phone so thin you cut your hand holding it, and then making it too big to fit comfortably in your pocket unless you are walking around in camo pants. You know what I would like? When I tap on the search and type the first few letters of an app on my phone, and the app appears, a…

Many people used low iPhone mini sales to point at the idea that small phones aren't popular anymore.

They might be right, but the "Mini" was more like a return to the size of the 6 & 8; not the same size as the 5 or prior SE. So for me it was still too large.

https://imgur.com/a/iphone-mini-vs-iphone-5-vs-iphone-6-case...

The "usable screen" is where my thumb can reach, not whatever idea people have in their heads about the total size of the phone or anything, truthfully.

Anyway; hit recognition of the keyboard is so far behind where it was in the iPhone 4/5 generation that I doubt modern iOS would even be functional; even if you excused the padding issues that would inevitably be an issue.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by operation_moose »

RileyJames wrote: post #359
danielvaughn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make fun of me but I'll never skip a chance to complain about how large these phones are. I hate it so much. I have a standard iPhone, not a max, and it causes real pain in my wrist if I use it too much. Was honestly thinking about downgrading to the last SE model even though it's several years out of date.

I’m still running an SE2020. I was expecting the latest update (with liquid) to be the death of it. But performance has actually improved significantly! Very unexpected. It’s been a great phone!

Same. I'll probably try to run it out for another year and end up with the 18e. Its been a great phone, but its days have to be numbered.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by haritha-j »

joshstrange wrote: post #11

I'm glad they added MagSafe with this version, that was my biggest "issue" with the 16e. Thankfully you can add a ring to the back of the device to "give" it MagSafe (the magnets part at least, if not the faster charging).

My understanding (and I don't ahve a magsafe phone so maybe I'm wrong), is that a lot of the time, you need to buy a magsafe compatible case, i.e. one with magnets in it, to get it to work (assuming you want a case on your phone). But if so, then adding such a case to a 16e would also add back the magsafe functionality. So technically, having it on your phoneb doesn't actually make a difference right? Or am I missing something? I was considering getting the 16e because its discounted now.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by haritha-j »

dmix wrote: post #38
1970-01-01 wrote: post #6

$599 still feels like they're setting whatever price they can get away with. It's been 20 years, why don't we have sub $500 new iPhones yet?

I'd argue that is worth the money if you're going to be using a phone every single day of their life. People will drop a few hundred on fancy shoes and wear them once a month, but they treat phones as cheap commodities.

Agreed, but its more the fact that you get a lot more peace of mind tossing around, and otherwise treating without too much care, a cheaper device. Risk of drops, theft, forgetting etc. are pretty high for something that I use every day. But then I'm a broke PhD student, so perhaps my views will change one day.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by sevenseacat »

deaux wrote: post #320
thoughtpalette wrote: post #8

Still holding onto my 13 mini. Dreaming of another small form factor release one of these announcements.. :'}

> Still holding onto my 13 mini. That's why they stopped making them, because the people who buy minis are willing to stick with them for 5 years, whereas Apple wants you to buy a new phone every year. Every single person I know who uses a phone of more than 4 years old, uses an iPhone 13 mini. Without exception. Now I'm sure there's plenty of HNers who use other 4+ year old phones, but I'm talking about non-tech peo…

*typing this from my iPhone 11 purchased in... early 2021 I think?

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by barbs »

dont__panic wrote: post #138
thoughtpalette wrote: post #8

Still holding onto my 13 mini. Dreaming of another small form factor release one of these announcements.. :'}

Still loving mine as well. I held out with the 2016 SE for 8 years. Sadly it's looking like I might have to do that again with the 13 mini! It boggles my mind that Apple thinks it's worthwhile to sell the 16, 17, 17 Pro, and 17e all in basically the exact same form factor. And then the Air and Max in very similar form factors. Vary it up! I don't need a new mini every year, but something in the 5.4" form factor every…

I'm on my 8th year of using my 2016 SE. Have replaced the battery and screen a few times over the years. A fair few of the apps I used stopped supporting iOS 15 so I've got old versions of those apps installed, but WhatsApp, Signal and my banking app still actively support iOS 15 so it works well enough for me, for now.

I have an iPhone 13 mini sitting in a drawer for when I need to switch.

Re: iPhone 17e

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Post by KeplerBoy »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #388
indemnity wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had an Air with the same camera system as the 17e, I believe. Coming from a 15 Pro Max, it was perfectly serviceable if you were happy with the limited zoom options and lack of wide angle shots. I never realized how much I used those two features, so, regrettably had to go back to the chunky 17 Pro Max. Maybe one day…

Wide angle is rarely used by me except it’s pretty good macro capabilities. It is better than your eyes.

Being better than eyes at macro vision is not hard.
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