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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by traxler »

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question:

Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break.

And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home. Can't get stolen or lost. Doesn't give big G any data on you, because that phone doesn't have anything but those apps.

But I also understand "just have a second phone" is not a tempting idea for many people. I am not much of a phone person, so I'm not a good case study, but it works fine for me.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#32

Post by oerdier »

n8cpdx wrote: post #25
oerdier wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's healthy for a population to not have as part of day-to-day life to pay with credit, effectively paying with money you might not actually have, going into debt. How many US citizens are crippled by credit card debt, and the interest on it?

You can pay with credit card as a convenience + fraud protection mechanism without ever paying interest by just paying your bill off every month. When chip and pin was first rolled out, Europeans were shocked by the low security of swipe cards in the US. The reason that wasn’t an issue for Americans was (and still is) that credit cards have excellent fraud protections. If someone steals my credit card, it is the bank…

I wasn't suggesting individuals shouldn't be able to pay with credit. I have a credit card myself, which I use when I can't pay with debit. I was suggesting that for a population as a whole, having paying with credit being so commonplace leads to crippling debt issues, which as far as I can believe "the reports", is an issue in the US.

Your comment on the risk of paying with debit cards surprised me. I've never considered it a risk at all. It made me realize that perhaps here (in the Netherlands) we have consumer protection systems in place, in addition to the payment systems, that prevent any issues.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by Freak_NL »

unethical_ban wrote: post #18
Rnonymous wrote: post #15

I wish i could switch but bank apps and contactless payments keep me on stock pixel.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

In Europe? Debit cards. Hardly anyone uses a credit card in a supermarket.

If I'm going out I'll have both a debit card and cash in my wallet. Given that large scale outages of payment networks are no longer theoretical but to be expected, not carrying cash is just silly. Since I have a wallet in any case, I see no point in using contactless payments on a smartphone — I usually don't take it with me when getting groceries.

I have no idea if I can even do contactless phone payments on GrapheneOS, but since everything else works (including my bank's app), I don't care.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

traxler wrote: post #29
tl2do wrote: post #20

I admire the de-Googled approach of GrapheneOS. As a lawyer, privacy concerns resonate with me too. I love the rebellious attitude of tech that presents an alternative choice in an overly duopolistic market. That said, I wouldn't last 8.4 months like the author. Even though he admits to some Google app usage, I'm in too deep — I'd never be able to get out. But if I get the chance, I'd like to try it on a secondary ph…

Not wanting to discourage you from trying Graphene, but the icons are probably not a good reason. Can always install an alternative launcher and icon pack on stock android. Running Graphene for a long time now, everything works perfectly fine, but I don't do mobile banking.

I do mobile banking and use GrapheneOS daily (2 online banks + 2 trading platforms).

I also work in mobile app/SDK publishing as a business dev and it's critical that I can install my clients' apps (thousand+) in private space.

It works great for me.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by pietro72ohboy »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I cannot speak for every country but in the Netherlands, your banking app also serves as a 2FA instrument if you place orders with your credit card. A pop-up notification will ask you to confirm if you have indeed placed the order. While I will admit that it is possible to predict such use cases and take your phone along, it is becoming a bit difficult to predict what part of some account or service's login flow will require a confirmation with your device.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by omnimus »

vbezhenar wrote: post #11
riedel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is wrong with lineage in this case?

I know very little about lineageos. Their website contains very few docs, so I don't really understand what's this project is about. They don't mention Pixel 10, so I guess it's not supported. GrapheneOS website in comparison contains a lot of things to read, so after a hour of thorough reading I had good impression what GrapheneOS is.

Are the websites really that different? (i use iphone) I checked both homepages and impression I got is that Lineage is android that focuses on long term support (the name points that out) and Graphene is not android (ok?) and it's focused on security.

Your Pixel 10 is not in Lineage devices so i would also assume it's not supported. (maybe it's too new?)

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by Valodim »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

Mobile apps are how most people do banking these days, and it shows. In my experience banking apps are a lot more maintained and modern than classic online banking interfaces.

So you're not just sacrificing "on the go" banking, you are likely sacrificing use of the best interface your bank offers.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by sureglymop »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I've used GrapheneOS for years at this point and all my banking apps work fine. It's just definitely worth a try.

I've had a government app not working once and one of the devs actually showed up on the GrapheneOS forums and now it does.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

pietro72ohboy wrote: post #35
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I cannot speak for every country but in the Netherlands, your banking app also serves as a 2FA instrument if you place orders with your credit card. A pop-up notification will ask you to confirm if you have indeed placed the order. While I will admit that it is possible to predict such use cases and take your phone along, it is becoming a bit difficult to predict what part of some account or service's login flow will…

Luckily, all/most Dutch bank apps work on GrapheneOS.

(Not saying that you claimed they didn't.)

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by dwedge »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I need my main one for paying friends back and for authorising payments online. Luckily it works without google. The only real app I miss is Uber
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