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> First, it is not European alternative - it is Finnish. _Europe_ is not a single country. What are you talking about? Is there a law of nature that you can only refer to origins in terms of countries. A Finnish alternative is, nyt extension, a European alternative.
No one says that Samsung or Huawei phones are Asian alternatives to iPhone.
huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...
The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics. I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap p…
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Can you really get 200EUR phones with that good cameras?
what good cameras? all I see is "Sony" without mentioning chip, even cheap phones like Poco X7 Pro or similar have nowadays comparable cameras as what they claim
Cameras:
The primary back camera will feature Sony IMX766 AF 50MP sensor module, known for its quality and performance within the price range
The secondary back camera will be a 13MP ultrawide AF Sony IMX214
Front camera is set to be a 32MP wide lens FF Sony IMX616
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Another good reason to dislike M$
I dislike the board that brought Elop in, and promised him a bonus if he managed to sell Nokia Mobiles business unit, and they were also the ones that decided to off-shore factories and R&D into Eastern Europe and India.
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Usually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland. This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and stil…
But even the full software stack isn't European as it runs on a Mediatek platform (ie. all the cellular stack and platform software is from Mediatek, which is from Taiwan). It's the apps software stack on top of the Linux kernel that is potentially "European". There are no longer any cellular chipset vendors based in Europe, afaik, so there's really no alternative. It's also hard to see how they will ever again be on…
I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone. Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.
What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch. Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
The previous Jolla C2 phone was built by Reeder in Turkey - they don't seem to say anything about the new phone
Let us clarify here as it is very different indeed.
The Jolla C2 Community Phone is done in collaboration with Reeder, who is the HW vendor. This means Reeder sources the components, plans the production and does the manufacturing in Turkey. Jolla provides the complete software stack (Sailfish OS) which is installed by Reeder in the manufacturing.
In the new Jolla Phone everything is different. Jolla is the vendor, has designed the product itself, done the component sourcing and pays directly to the component vendors. We control the pipeline. Further, we have secured our position for the initial memory batch with advance purchase.
Also, to be clear: Reeder has no involvement in the new Jolla Phone.
Thank you for asking, very good points to clarify!
HN discussion from four months ago, including reports from people who have been using Jolla phones for some time (e.g., me): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45785840
I heard and read negative things about them, do they actually ship?
Yes they do ship phones !
Everyone is stuck on the 2015 tablet failure.
The "whatever you wish" seems to indicate that this is a regular switch that can be configured to turn off certain functionality. Is that true?
I was hoping for a solution that physically disconnects the microphone/cameras/etc, or at least acts at some lower level than the OS. But if it's flexible and configurable then it sadly doesn't look as secure.