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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by hocuspocus »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #183
adrian_b wrote: post #175

Motorola was already in my top position in the list of possible upgrades for my old (ASUS) phone, for providing at moderate prices USB 3 connectivity and DisplayPort 1.4 that allows the connection of an external monitor, for a desktop mode. With this announcement, Motorola has consolidated its top position, making it unlikely for me to choose something else.

What do you mean desktop mode? I though only Samsung Android phones had that, called Samsung DeX.

Most mid to high-end ranges from Android OEMs have a DisplayPort video output and basic keyboard plus mouse support. Pixels were late to the party, but it's been there for a long time otherwise.

The functionality used to be really barebones outside of Samsung DeX. Now it's a bit better since it's officially supported by Google.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by rm30 »

An alternative, open and freely accessible OS for mobile computing is always good for a healthy market. Most of us have a limited view of the global market and don't know which areas prefer de-Googled OSs. If all of India or Africa decided to ditch Google, it would be a massive shift. We cannot forecast if the West will slowly decide to move to other solutions inspired by tech-savvy users or by becoming more privacy-conscious. It will take time, but desktop Linux is also slowly growing.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by uyzstvqs »

UnreachableCode wrote: post #284
strcat wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contactless payments already work on GrapheneOS via Curve Pay, PayPal and the apps of many European banks. Solving the duopoly between Apple and Google for smartphone tap-to-pay in the US isn't something GrapheneOS can do. Regulators / legislators can force Google to let GrapheneOS pass the Play Integrity API checks and Google Pay will start working.

>Contactless payments already work on GrapheneOS via Curve Pay Are you sure about this? It was my understanding that NFC passes for gyms and stuff worked, but that if you want to pay for something with Google or Curve, you're shit outta luck

It depends on how the payment app works. Android provides a native Contactless Payments API which can be used by any wallet app. This is local to the device and works flawlessly on GrapheneOS as well. You can set your preferred wallet app for this feature under NFC settings.

Google Pay/Wallet is one of the wallet apps using this API. If you use Google Pay, you set it as your preferred wallet app, and Google will act as an intermediary between you and whatever payment method you've configured in Google Wallet. It's this Google Pay app that's broken.

Banking, payment and wallet apps that implement the Contactless Payments API work normally as they should. But, some banks have lazy developers, and just hyperlink you to add your card to Google Wallet instead.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by doodlebugging »

klausa wrote: post #30
zx8080 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same owner (Google/Alphabet): https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/company-annou...

Literally the first three words of the announcement that this submission is about are "Motorola, a Lenovo Company".

That is four words.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Frotag »

bayindirh wrote: post #246
neya wrote: post #216

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This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

If this translates to longer device retention (if you enable battery changes, a current gen device can easily last a decade), people will care. $200 phone that you can use for 5+ years without handicapping the user will be a much bigger hit. This translates well to the boots paradox. This can change "cheaper is much more expensive in the long run" to "cheaper is a bit more expensive on the long run". This, of course,…

> if you enable battery changes, a current gen device can easily last a decade), people will care.

Modern batteries last surprisingly long. I assumed my 5yo pixel 4a was at 50~60% capacity based on feels and the adb batterystats printout estimated the same (with 1600 charge cycles). But when I actually measured the screentime / charging wattage, it was still at 80% capacity. Even confirmed this by replacing the battery and running the same tests.

I think part of the reason the old battery felt worse is that it would read 100% when it was only ~85% full then trickle charge at like 2w for another 90 minutes.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by rand846633 »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #102

Why team up with a hardware manufacturer that is forced to comply with both the American Security Chip Act and the American Cloud Act? I thought GrapheneOS was all about privacy and non compliance with Big Tech?

Would be interesting indeed to hear what the implications of what you bring up are. Anyone knowing enough to speculate?

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by karel-3d »

nunobrito wrote: post #180
karel-3d wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are not NSA hardware suppliers.

Yes, they are. Since decades now. DYOR.

It's a different company. They just share the same name. You don't do your research properly. This is a Chinese-owned company, part of Lenovo.

(I mostly don't trust them because they are Chinese-owned, but then, everything is made either in China or by China-friendly Foxconn so, whatever.)

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by JohnLocke4 »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

The HN crowd is not representative of the entire market. Most people don't care about the operating system and only want something that 1) is simple to use 2) they already know 3) they happen to already have (most people keep their phones for many years)

Also, the largest phone market in the world is the developing countries market. Cheap phones are supreme right now

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Aachen »

jeroenhd wrote: post #188
Aachen wrote: post #133

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Netherlands. The only people I know with a Motorola phone are from overseas (either living overseas or moved here). Definitely more known in the anglosphere than in the Netherlands, but they're in stores and being sold, just not as strong a brand. Probably most people wouldn't know it, similar with e.g. Oppo When selecting a new phone, I always just put in the specs I want and then consider all options, so I have bee…

Also Netherlands: I've seen quite a few Motorolas. Not their high-end phones, though, mostly mid-range phones. They don't seem to do a lot of advertising and don't have free watches/earbuds/accessories to give away with their phones so they don't create a lot of hype on the high-end market. My experience is that they provide decent hardware with clean software that doesn't get updates as often as you would hope. Most…

The niche that draws me the most is the cheap segment. Now that we're moving towards a society where all sorts of vendors (including government) require code execution on a device with remote attestation of DRM (or attempts thereto), having a nonfree/untrusted secondary device for 200€ with decent hardware and EU-mandated updates is pretty doable

> don't have free watches/earbuds/accessories to give away with their phones so they don't create a lot of hype

The times vendors shipped free e-waste are long gone in my experience. I don't think anyone selects a 400€ phone based on getting 15€ earphones with it, if you can even find one that still does this

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