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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by gtowey »

bensyverson wrote: post #130
api wrote: post #73

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Is this avoidable? These things cost money to run. Who pays if not with ads? There will I’m sure be the ability to pay and not have ads just like there is on streaming platforms, podcasts, etc. Or should there be tax supported free AI?

Eventually the price of RAM will revert to the mean and start going down again. GPU power will continue to climb. Model efficiency (intelligence per billion params) will increase. These trends combined will mean that eventually it will seem old-fashioned to use a remotely-hosted model for anything other than the most demanding tasks. Just as we don't use mainframes for computation anymore outside of niche tasks like…

> These trends combined will mean that eventually it will seem old-fashioned to use a remotely-hosted model for anything other than the most demanding tasks.

If that happens, then I suspect we will see legislation that makes it illegal to use a model outside of those provided by approved vendors like OpenAI. The utility value of LLMs for influencing people as a propaganda and control tool is just too high for those in power to let this technology be democratized.

Look at the state of DRM for video streaming -- how much industry effort has been put into making sure consumers don't own their content? We will see an even bigger push with self-serve models.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by tencentshill »

svilen_dobrev wrote: post #156
makerofthings wrote: post #23

It's quite hard to tell what is satirical AI Ads and what is this 99helpers.com site, which is also really covered in pushy messages and trying hard to sell me something. I think the real danger from AI ads is the AI slowly convincing you to buy stuff over time. It's going to be super effective with the less technically adept.

> the real danger from AI (ads) is the AI slowly convincing you to ${GOAL:-buy stuff} over time. (man bash: ${X:-abcde} means use value of X else abcde by default ) where GOAL can be anything one may be persuaded into. Choosing $15 burger over $7, brand X over brand Y, notion of X wholesale (to EV or not to EV), Elections, climate-this-or-that, ... People are massively using it as search engine. So it does not need t…

Advertisers don't have time for subtle influence campaigns. They need $x sales, this quarter, with this budget for ad spend. Put a big red banner somewhere and make it happen.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by artursapek »

gus_massa wrote: post #137
artursapek wrote: post #69

tfw building an actual project that hn ignores every time i post it but then i see slop like this on the top of the page

I just took a look at your last post. It asks to use a Google account or create an account. Unless there is a way to try it freely, it's very difficult to get traction in HN. After a few clicks, I noticed you posted a link to a shared document, but I can click "make a copy" and edit my own copy. I tried clicking the button "f(x)" and typing \displaystyle\cancel{\frac{1}{2}} and it works :) --- So I took a look at you…

Thanks for the feedback. I will try that :)

Revise can already do a lot of things neither Google nor Overleaf can so I think it has an edge.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by plasticchris »

marssaxman wrote: post #164
matheusmoreira wrote: post #157

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Paying to get rid of ads is paying for the privilege of doing their market segmentation for them. It's paying to segment oneself into the upper echelons of the market. People who pay to avoid ads have a lot of disposable income, the value of their attention increases. I wish uBlock Origin would incorporate AI features too. It could automatically detect brand names and product placement and blank it all out. Works on…

I wish we could use AI to solve captchas for us. Perhaps I should "vibe-code" such a browser plugin.

It’s funny because captchas are meant to be hard for bots but easy for people and it might be the opposite now.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by golem14 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #167
riddley wrote: post #128

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No Lite! about it. I've twice unsubbed from YTP because they started showing me ads. Never again.

I've never seen an ad logged in to Premium. Content creators do sometimes insert sponsor segments directly into the video, but YTP offers a skip feature that works fairly well.

They do sneak it in when a blog etc plays an embedded YT video. It treats that as non-signed-in, you have to stop playing and continue on YT to avoid ads in that scenario.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

nickk81 wrote: post #2

We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

It isn't yet realistic enough. For instance, when I asked it to choose between Linux and windows it tried to be neutral and chose Linux, instead of trying to subtly convince me that windows is superior. Since Microsoft would surely pay ad space, it would be expected for the chatbot to lean towards windows.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by rdiddly »

WarmWash wrote: post #161
moron4hire wrote: post #150

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YouTube has control of their platform. They have enough control to detect and demonetize people when they say such "harmful" and "dangerous" words as "kill" and "sex". This is further evidenced by the fact that they provide the sponsored segment skip feature that you reference[0]. They know this is going on and they allow it, despite it ruining the service that members pay for. If content creators can't live off of t…

First off the content creators don't mark up where sponsored segments are, the algo builds on statistics of where people skip. So if a video is fresh, it might not work. Second, you are capable of building a coherent argument, but left out that almost half of viewers don't pay. When you are a child, paying for things is frustrating and annoying, so the ones taking the money are bad. When you grow up, you realize that…

"You pay and it's yours." Which is exactly why, having paid for an ad-free service, people are miffed when ads appear anyway. I'm not going to take on the responsibility of educating you as to the examples that exist, because that's your own responsibility. Not only because we have to educate ourselves, but because you made the unsupported claim in the first place that the phenomenon doesn't exist. Proving a negative is very difficult, as we with all this glorious mental firepower know. In a world this large, it's a poor bet on a statistical basis alone.

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Post by wlesieutre »

plasticchris wrote: post #194
marssaxman wrote: post #164

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I wish we could use AI to solve captchas for us. Perhaps I should "vibe-code" such a browser plugin.

It’s funny because captchas are meant to be hard for bots but easy for people and it might be the opposite now.

Some of the newer ones I've seen with random symbols scattered and rotated on a random background are really awful. As a person with all my mental faculties and mostly correctable vision I have to solve them carefully.

Never would have imagine that "sit in a chair and browse the internet" would become an activity limited to the able bodied.

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