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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Creators including ads in their videos are not part of youtube. Youtube does not get a cut from those ads or play any role in making them. I know it's confusing, but those ads are part of the creator's videos that the creators put there themselves with deals they brokered outside of youtube. Youtube likely tolerates it because even with a 60% revenue share going go creators, often half of viewers pay nothing (no ad v…

YouTube has control of their platform. They have enough control to detect and demonetize people when they say such "harmful" and "dangerous" words as "kill" and "sex". This is further evidenced by the fact that they provide the sponsored segment skip feature that you reference[0]. They know this is going on and they allow it, despite it ruining the service that members pay for. If content creators can't live off of t…

First off the content creators don't mark up where sponsored segments are, the algo builds on statistics of where people skip. So if a video is fresh, it might not work.

Second, you are capable of building a coherent argument, but left out that almost half of viewers don't pay. When you are a child, paying for things is frustrating and annoying, so the ones taking the money are bad. When you grow up, you realize that everything costs money to everyone, and taking money isn't really nefarious, and paying for what you consume is just honest. If you don't like the cost of something, you don't buy it. If you like the cost, you pay and it's yours.

Obviously you have passed that threshold of reasoning, so it might be worthwhile to rebalance your argument around the fact that almost half (30-50%) of viewers still feel entitled to free viewing of content. They don't boycott it, they still consume it, but they don't compensate. That leaves the honest ones to bear the cost of their consumption.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#164
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You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

Paying to get rid of ads is paying for the privilege of doing their market segmentation for them. It's paying to segment oneself into the upper echelons of the market. People who pay to avoid ads have a lot of disposable income, the value of their attention increases. I wish uBlock Origin would incorporate AI features too. It could automatically detect brand names and product placement and blank it all out. Works on…

I wish we could use AI to solve captchas for us. Perhaps I should "vibe-code" such a browser plugin.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#165

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YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

I never understood this with cable TV either. You could use an antenna and watch TV over the air (with ads) or you could pay for cable and still watch ads!

Before streaming, if you didn't live in a large metro area, cable got you a good clear picture and more than one or two channels. That was the selling point for it when I was a kid. With OTA reception we would have had two channels with a clear picture and maybe two or three more with a lot of static/snow.

Cable just carried regular broadcast channels back then. The value you paid for was more channels and better picture, not avoiding ads. HBO was the first premium add-on, and it didn't have ads.

Some people set up a big dish antenna in their yard so they could get content directly off the satellite backhaul. This might not have had ads but it was a fairly big investment and you had to be sort of an AV geek to use it.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#166
We should just have phones connected to AI bots of our own that talk to them.

I've used CC with chrome to access social feeds autonomously and give me a notification at set times of the day, summarizing everything that I feel is worth knowing about— local events, local municipal announcements, some misc comics and some harmless fun with dogs/OnlyInNYC. It really takes out all the FOMO driven brain fuckery of feed and ads.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#167

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YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

No Lite! about it. I've twice unsubbed from YTP because they started showing me ads. Never again.

I've never seen an ad logged in to Premium. Content creators do sometimes insert sponsor segments directly into the video, but YTP offers a skip feature that works fairly well.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

Paying to get rid of ads is paying for the privilege of doing their market segmentation for them. It's paying to segment oneself into the upper echelons of the market. People who pay to avoid ads have a lot of disposable income, the value of their attention increases. I wish uBlock Origin would incorporate AI features too. It could automatically detect brand names and product placement and blank it all out. Works on…

> I wish uBlock Origin would incorporate AI features too. It could automatically detect brand names and product placement and blank it all out.

that is a pretty good idea

back in the day I had an adblocker which replaced the banners with your own pictures.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#170
Nice. Do you know this Princeton research group?

https://ai.sociology.princeton.edu/research

Here is a quotation:

> "It has become clear that at least some of the companies will bring over the engagement model of social media to chatbots, monetizing ads, shopping recommendations, affiliate links, and sponsored answers. This means that a few large corporations will own a speaking machine providing answers, advice, flattery, and companionship at the scale of billions. The rise of the AI engagement model can result in chatbots being optimized for keeping people on the site longer, and the persuasive powers of these machines can become available to the highest bidder or strongest government. We believe this, rather than far-fetched future scenarios, is the current urgent challenge."

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