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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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While it isn't a perfect comparison, streaming platforms that have ad-subsidized subscriptions with ads (as the name suggests) certainly haven't been driven out by market competition. I believe hysteria in this case is healthy, so we can end up with something closer the still fairly reasonable implementation of the streaming platforms, instead of the example here.

> streaming platforms that have ad-subsidized subscriptions with ads (as the name suggests) certainly haven't been driven out by market competition which ones don't have an ad free tier?

YouTube didn't have an ad-free tier for a very long time

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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When Google AdWords first launched its text ads appeared only on the right-hand side of the Google search results page, separate from the main organic listings. See screenshot below. I expect ChatGPT ads will be similar. Ads won't be incorporated into the chat responses.

https://pplx-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/pplx_search_ima...

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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That'd be the most philanthropic use of software patents ever made in human history

They’d ignore it like they did with copyright law.

IT'S FOR NATIONAL SECURITY

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Dark patterns degrade our computing experience and are worth illustrating, but there's a larger discussion to be had about keeping individual control over our own devices.

Technically, that means being able to install Linux, run local models, and use open-source software as we see fit.

Legally, it's opposing compliance guises that erode those rights, like backdoors or restrictions on what can run so that we no longer really in control of the hardware we own but need to adjust to the whims of the controller/operator, which could, at a moments notice, default to these dark patterns for "pragmatic reasons" of their own which don't align with your interests.

We know enough bad stories for the "internet of things" devices. Anyone interested in FOSS and control should probably invest in this angle.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Are you selling insights from chat logs too? Until you're monetizing my health, sex life and snitching to any government agency with a shiny nickel, you're playing in the shallows.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#137

tfw building an actual project that hn ignores every time i post it but then i see slop like this on the top of the page

I just took a look at your last post. It asks to use a Google account or create an account. Unless there is a way to try it freely, it's very difficult to get traction in HN.

After a few clicks, I noticed you posted a link to a shared document, but I can click "make a copy" and edit my own copy. I tried clicking the button "f(x)" and typing

  \displaystyle\cancel{\frac{1}{2}}
and it works :)

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So I took a look at your last^2 post. It goes to the landing page. It looks good but it may be too long for the TikTok generation and AI generated waiting list pages. Also, no mention of LaTeX.

My suggestion is to try again:

* Post https://revise.io/launch that creates an empty document

* Check after a few minutes that the HN server has not changed the URL to a document (It happens when there is a canonical URL or a redirect or something, I don't know the details. In case of a problem send an email to dang/tomhow hn@ycombinator.com)

* Add a comment explaining you are the author and are happy to answer questions. Bonus points for a general description of the tech stack. Some backstory is also nice.

* Include in the comments 2 or 3 links to sample documents, like one with LaTeX formulas and one with more usual text. Add something like 'Press the "make a copy" button to edit them'. (Is it real LaTeX? Which packages does it support?) (Markdown? Some people love markdown.)

I'm not sure how viable is to make an editor in a space that is squashed between Overleaf and Google Docs, but I wish you luck.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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No, if a company gets enough leverage the top plan will demand both payment and ads. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong. Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Cable TV in the 80s started out ad free. Then they realized they could only grow revenues at the rate they wanted with ads.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#139

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YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

Amazon prime! A paid service with advertisements for the original content no one wants to watch.

You know something went wrong when I've got an Amazon Prime account, but I still pirate any of their video content that I want to watch.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

#140

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Easy: YouTube. You cannot purchase a completely ad free experience on YouTube.

Creators including ads in their videos are not part of youtube. Youtube does not get a cut from those ads or play any role in making them. I know it's confusing, but those ads are part of the creator's videos that the creators put there themselves with deals they brokered outside of youtube. Youtube likely tolerates it because even with a 60% revenue share going go creators, often half of viewers pay nothing (no ad v…

YouTube Premium still has """promotional""" content (read: ads). Ad cards, ad footers, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/s/8CHWGReiQt

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