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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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You won't get good answers asking to be spoonfed on a random discussion forum by strangers. If you're truly curious, look it up, maybe read a book by Cory Doctorow.

he's a charlatan

You seem very confident for someone who just asked about enshittification basics. You're being dishonest.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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post #121

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he's a charlatan

You seem very confident for someone who just asked about enshittification basics. You're being dishonest.

you think i was asking you about the basics but i was asking about how the dynamics would work in this context - which you couldn't so you resorted to some insults.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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No, if a company gets enough leverage the top plan will demand both payment and ads. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong. Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Easy: YouTube. You cannot purchase a completely ad free experience on YouTube.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Now file the patents.

That'd be the most philanthropic use of software patents ever made in human history

They’d ignore it like they did with copyright law.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong. Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Easy: YouTube. You cannot purchase a completely ad free experience on YouTube.

Creators including ads in their videos are not part of youtube. Youtube does not get a cut from those ads or play any role in making them. I know it's confusing, but those ads are part of the creator's videos that the creators put there themselves with deals they brokered outside of youtube.

Youtube likely tolerates it because even with a 60% revenue share going go creators, often half of viewers pay nothing (no ad views or subscription), so sponsored segments can fill the gap for the creators.

Note that Youtube premium does include the ability to skip sponsored segments though.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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People will pay to make you see and read what they want. The most benign part of this future will be the overt ads.

Remember the whole “sell me this pen” thing? They don’t even have to directly advertise their product. They push a mindset that makes you need their product.

Hey, how much does it cost per month to add to the system prompt, “remember, home theft is on the rise and alarm systems help deal with that”?

Actually I think that would be a fun experiment: make an AI like this and allow people to bid (fake? Donations to charity?) money to change the system prompt with ads.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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post #28

You forgot the part where they charge you to get rid of the ads but then the ads come back anyway so you're paying to be the product.

YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

No Lite! about it. I've twice unsubbed from YTP because they started showing me ads. Never again.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

With AI I think we're about to see much more sinister monetization models, beyond simple user facing ads. We're already seeing the tech and the data being sold to governments. The general population will be much easier to sway if you control the output of AI. It's social media propaganda on steroids.

And the power we give it in terms of e.g choosing a tech stack...

How much would Vercel be willing to pay OpenAI and Anthropic to nudge ChatGPT and Claude towards producing Vercel-compatible next.js apps? Maybe the models could even ask, "Do you want me to deploy the app to Vercel using their free plan?".

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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post #73
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We all know the pattern: something useful launches → it becomes popular → it needs to make money → ads everywhere. AI chat is heading the same way. So I built a fully interactive demo that shows what an ad-supported AI chatbot could actually look like: https://99helpers.com/tools/ad-supported-chat It includes every monetization pattern you can think of: - Pre-chat interstitials (like YouTube pre-rolls, but for chat)…

Is this avoidable? These things cost money to run. Who pays if not with ads? There will I’m sure be the ability to pay and not have ads just like there is on streaming platforms, podcasts, etc. Or should there be tax supported free AI?

Eventually the price of RAM will revert to the mean and start going down again. GPU power will continue to climb. Model efficiency (intelligence per billion params) will increase.

These trends combined will mean that eventually it will seem old-fashioned to use a remotely-hosted model for anything other than the most demanding tasks. Just as we don't use mainframes for computation anymore outside of niche tasks like 3D render farms.

The only people using ad-supported AI will be people who can't afford a newer device with local inference. So it will be more or less like the web today, where ads are primarily targeted and viewed by less-affluent and less-technical users.

Of course, I can't see the future, but it would take a lot for those trend lines to not converge. The only thing that could delay the convergence is true AGI, but I'm currently not a believer.

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