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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by throw310822 »

nl wrote: post #126
hobom wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more extreme, that might mean they won't be able to offer Claude to non-US companies at all.

I don't see how you get that reading. Anthropic is clearly allowed to sell Claude to companies not doing business with the US Military. If anything that's more likely to be non-US companies.

Because Anthropic sells Claude through other companies that in turn do business both with Anthropic and the government. These intermediaries, large cloud companies, can't offer Claude anymore if they want to keep the government as a customer.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by copperx »

progbits wrote: post #136
easton wrote: post #24

> Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. I’m sure the lawyers just got paged, but does this mean the hyperscalers (AWS, GCP) can’t resell Claude anymore to US companies that aren’t doing business with the DoD? That’s rough.

(edit: I'm most likely wrong) You got it backwards, can't use claude if you ARE doing business with DoD. Presumably AWS/GCP don't care, its up to the end customer to comply. Not like GCP KYC asks if you work with DoD.

So GitHub Copilot will remove Anthropic as an LLM provider, I suppose?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by ctoth »

johnbarron wrote: post #51
NickAndresen wrote: post #15

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as…

Is this the same Administration that reversed a previous block, and allowed NVIDIA to sell H200 to China?

The Purpose of a System is WHAT IT DOES!

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by next_xibalba »

Gigachad wrote: post #9
eckelhesten wrote: post #4

Hard decision by Anthropic, but at least they can sleep well at night knowing their products doesn’t kill human beings around the world.

That’s the crazy thing. This whole dispute was over Anthropic saying no to fully automated kill bots. They only required there be a human in the loop to press the button.

If we were able to give the Ukrainians fully automated kill bots, and those kill bots enabled Ukraine to swiftly expel the Russians from their territories, would that not be a good thing? Or would you rather the meat grinder continue to destroy Ukraine's young men to satisfy some moral purity threshold?

If we could give Taiwan killbots that would ensure China could never invade, or at least could never occupy Taiwan, would that be good or bad? I have a feeling I know what the Taiwanese would say.

While we're at it, should we also strip out all the machine learning/AI driven targeting systems from weapons? We might feel good about it, but I would bet my life savings that our future adversaries will not do the same.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Gigachad wrote: post #9
eckelhesten wrote: post #4

Hard decision by Anthropic, but at least they can sleep well at night knowing their products doesn’t kill human beings around the world.

That’s the crazy thing. This whole dispute was over Anthropic saying no to fully automated kill bots. They only required there be a human in the loop to press the button.

They also said no to fully automated AI domestic surveillance. I suppose non-US citizens like me are screwed but that's at least some small comfort for the natives. FVEY will just spy on each other and share but at least someone tried.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by janalsncm »

outside1234 wrote: post #39
easton wrote: post #24

> Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. I’m sure the lawyers just got paged, but does this mean the hyperscalers (AWS, GCP) can’t resell Claude anymore to US companies that aren’t doing business with the DoD? That’s rough.

There is no way they can just stop selling Opus 4.6. This will crater the market.

This doesn’t erase Claude, and even if it did Gemini and Codex are there to replace it.

Even if a ton of companies have to switch over to an alternative, it won’t be catastrophic to the economy.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by nazgul17 »

Gigachad wrote: post #69
cperciva wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were two red lines, as I understand it -- first, automated kill bots, and second, mass surveillance.

I guess the problem for Trump is if he orders the army to gun down protesters, there’s a good chance they will refuse to do it. While a bot can just be prompted to go ahead.

This one here is the future I am most scared of.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by dham »

labrador wrote: post #17

Good. I'd rather not have my favorite AI from a company working on AGI to have murder and spying in it's DNA. In fact, as a patriotic American veteran, I'd be ok with Anthropic moving to Europe. It might be better for Claude and AGI, which are overriding issues for me. Rutger Bregman @rcbregman This is a huge opportunity for Europe. Welcome Anthropic with open arms. Roll out the red carpet. Visa for all employees. Eu…

AGI? My guy, it's a text predictor slot machine. Very useful tool but will never be AGI.
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