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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by [deleted] »

easton wrote: post #24

> Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. I’m sure the lawyers just got paged, but does this mean the hyperscalers (AWS, GCP) can’t resell Claude anymore to US companies that aren’t doing business with the DoD? That’s rough.

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by jmward01 »

small_model wrote: post #41

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Defense contracting makes you rich and lazy. In the long run it is rare to see companies get sucked into defense contracting and stay relevant/on the cutting edge. We look at fighters and warships and think WOW! But the reality is that they are pretty far behind where they would actually be if there was a civilian purpose to them that mattered.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by 827a »

Its one thing to say "we cannot abide by these terms, so let's part ways", and its another entirely to respond this drastically. The Trump administration will look back on this decision as the most consequential in their efforts to win the 2026 midterms and Republican efforts in 2028. This is a $400B+ American company that has significant partial ownership from Amazon, Google, and other private equity sources; they just made serious enemies in SV, many of whom supported Trump in his 2024 election victory.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by techblueberry »

tgma wrote: post #66
thewebguyd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> completely understandable decision from a neutral third party PoV. Except it's not, really. If Anthropic/Claude doesn't mean the DoD's need, they can and should just put out an RFP for other LLM providers. I'm sure there's plenty of others that'd happily forgo their morals for that sweet government contract money. No US company has to provide services to the DoD or any other branch of government. It's not "veto pow…

I don't understand your point here. Looks like what you suggest is exactly what is happening. US government did not ban Anthropic from conducting business in the US. They just don't want them to influence their own supply chain, 100% legal as you say.

The governments supply chain is like 80% of the US

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by chasd00 »

eckelhesten wrote: post #4

Hard decision by Anthropic, but at least they can sleep well at night knowing their products doesn’t kill human beings around the world.

Sleep well in a box under the overpass maybe. If Amazon can’t serve Anthropics model until the courts get everything figured out it will be too late for them.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by mediaman »

cperciva wrote: post #35
Gigachad wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the crazy thing. This whole dispute was over Anthropic saying no to fully automated kill bots. They only required there be a human in the loop to press the button.

There were two red lines, as I understand it -- first, automated kill bots, and second, mass surveillance.

Mass domestic surveillance of American citizens (they were OK with surveillance of other countries).

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by mupuff1234 »

gullibriem wrote: post #92
mupuff1234 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Circus-grade contortionism here.

Is it? Are you claiming nuclear bombs are not both essential and also a risk to national security?

Aren't all the AI companies saying that AI poses even a greater threat to humanity than nukes?

How can these two not be deeply connected? If a technology poses humanity extinction level of risk of course it will also be a matter of national security - how can it not be?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

McCarthyism began in 1947, with Truman demanding goverment employees be "screened for loyalty". They wanted to remove anyone who was a member of an "organization" they didn't like. It began with hearings, and then blacklists, and then arrests and prison sentences. It lasted until 1959. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)

This is the new McCarthyism. Do what the administration says, or you will be blacklisted, or worse.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

kilroy123 wrote: post #22

Strange times. I truly feel these are the last days of our Republic. Especially if more aren't willing to take a stand.

To counter point, do you think AI companies located on our adversaries turf will take the same stand? I agree its nightmarish to think of AI surveillance. But why is that being lumped in with weaponry? I see these as two separate issues.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by dboreham »

goatlover wrote: post #88
cperciva wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were two red lines, as I understand it -- first, automated kill bots, and second, mass surveillance.

Neither of those red lines should be controversial. What American citizen thinks terminators and Big Brother are desirable?

Citizen 1?
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