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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by levocardia »

altpaddle wrote: post #85
qaid wrote: post #62

I was reading halfway thru and one line struck a nerve with me: > But today, frontier AI systems are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons. So not today, but the door is open for this after AI systems have gathered enough "training data"? Then I re-read the previous paragraph and realized it's specifically only criticizing > AI-driven domestic mass surveillance And neither denounces partially a…

Unfortunately I think the writing is clearly on the wall. Fully autonomous weapons are coming soon

Right - for the same reasons a Waymo is safer than a human-driven car, an autonomous fighter drone will ultimately be deadlier than a human-flown fighter jet. I would like to forestall that day as long as possible but saying "no autonomous weapons ever" isn't very realistic right now.

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Post by tabbott »

An organization character really shows through when their values conflict with their self-interest.

It's inspiring to see that Anthropic is capable of taking a principled stand, despite having raised a fortune in venture capital.

I don't think a lot of companies would have made this choice. I wish them the very best of luck in weathering the consequences of their courage.

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Post by ghshephard »

qaid wrote: post #62

I was reading halfway thru and one line struck a nerve with me: > But today, frontier AI systems are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons. So not today, but the door is open for this after AI systems have gathered enough "training data"? Then I re-read the previous paragraph and realized it's specifically only criticizing > AI-driven domestic mass surveillance And neither denounces partially a…

I think it goes without saying that ones the systems are reliable, fully-autonomous weapons will be unleashed on the battlefield. But they have to have safeguards to ensure that they don't turn on friendly forces and only kill the enemy. What Anthropic is saying, is that right now - they can't provide those assurances. When they can - I suspect those restrictions will be relaxed.

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Post by statuslover9000 »

The Sinophobic culture at Anthropic is worrying. Say what you will about authoritarianism, but China’s non-imperialist foreign policy means their economy is less reliant on a military-industrial complex.

All they have to do is continue to pump out exponentially more solar panels and the petrodollar will fall, possibly taking our reserve currency status with it. The U.S. seems more likely to start a hot war in the name of “democracy” as it fails to gracefully metabolize the end of its geopolitical dominance, and Dario’s rhetoric pushes us further in that direction.

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Post by knfkgklglwjg »

michaellee8 wrote: post #21

Probably not a good idea to let Claude vibe-selecting targets, it still sometime hallucinates

Soon it will select targets in commie countries though, perhaps it already does. Who selected to bomb Chavez mausoleum btw?

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Post by sourcegrift »

jorblumesea wrote: post #93
flumpcakes wrote: post #20

This is such a depressing read. What is becoming of the USA? Let's hope sanity prevails and the next election cycle can bring in some competent non-grievance based leadership.

You mean, what's been happening to the USA? this isn't a new trend. Militarization of police, open attacks on democracy, unilateral foreign policy moves. the country jumped the shark post 9/11 and has been on a slow rot since then.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

alach11 wrote: post #50

A significant part of Anthropic's cachet as an employer is the ethical stance they profess to take. This is no doubt a tough spot to be in, but it's hard to see Dario making any other decision here. What I don't understand is why Hegseth pushed the issue to an ultimatum like this. They say they're not trying to use Claude for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. If so, what does the Department of War hav…

Same reason they cut funding for universities that had DEI mandates, etc. and made a big spectacle of doing it despite it often being very little money etc. etc.

It's an ideological war, they're desperate to win it, and they're aiming to put a segment of US civil society into submission, and setting an example for everyone else.

He smelled weakness, and like any schoolyard bully personality, he couldn't help but turn it into a display of power.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by tabbott »

alach11 wrote: post #50

A significant part of Anthropic's cachet as an employer is the ethical stance they profess to take. This is no doubt a tough spot to be in, but it's hard to see Dario making any other decision here. What I don't understand is why Hegseth pushed the issue to an ultimatum like this. They say they're not trying to use Claude for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. If so, what does the Department of War hav…

What makes you want to believe the Trump Administration when it claims it doesn't want to do domestic mass surveillance?

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Post by ricardobeat »

probably_wrong wrote: post #108

I have read the whole thing but I nonetheless want to focus on the second paragraph: > Anthropic has therefore worked proactively to deploy our models to the Department of War This should be a "have you noticed that the caps on our hats have skulls on it?" moment [1]. Even if one argues that the sentence should not be read literally (that is, that it's not literal war we're talking about), the only reason for calling…

What is their other possible move here, considering the government is threatening to destroy their business entirely?
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