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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by kube-system »

Gigachad wrote: post #88
lukan wrote: post #86

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"I genuinely do not understand why other countries put up with this." Maybe because there is no drop in replacement of microsoft and microsoft dependant tools? So yes, one can (and should) build them. But the market right now is not offering this yet.

Google has drop in replacements for most of it. But that doesn’t solve the problem of using US tech.

They're competitive but they're not drop-in replacements. Even office for Mac is not a drop-in replacement for office on Windows. It's pretty trivial to find significant differences that will be in use in any large organization.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by taikahessu »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #345
prerok wrote: post #329

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In my experience, companies are perfectly happy with US companies, as long as the data doesn't leave Europe. This means we have to prove we only store data in European datacenters. I guess that's fine for now, but it would be better if we could get European alternatives to AWS or GCP.

And why wouldn't this European equivalent do something that a lot of people in Europe dislike too, in the future? The entire model of large cloud companies is bad.

That's a different risk profile. Companies are governed by local laws, usually, and currently, that works here in Europe.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by Gigachad »

kube-system wrote: post #351
Gigachad wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has drop in replacements for most of it. But that doesn’t solve the problem of using US tech.

They're competitive but they're not drop-in replacements. Even office for Mac is not a drop-in replacement for office on Windows. It's pretty trivial to find significant differences that will be in use in any large organization.

Considering every job I’ve had in recent times has involved a switch between Google/Microsoft tools after being acquired, it’s about as drop in as anything gets in tech.

Of course no product will be an identical replica of the Microsoft tools, but both get the job done.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by kube-system »

Gigachad wrote: post #353
kube-system wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're competitive but they're not drop-in replacements. Even office for Mac is not a drop-in replacement for office on Windows. It's pretty trivial to find significant differences that will be in use in any large organization.

Considering every job I’ve had in recent times has involved a switch between Google/Microsoft tools after being acquired, it’s about as drop in as anything gets in tech. Of course no product will be an identical replica of the Microsoft tools, but both get the job done.

It depends. If you're writing documents and sending email, it probably not gonna be too tough. If you've got 100,000+ lines of Excel macros, you're gonna need a pretty significant migration.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by flopsamjetsam »

Mashimo wrote: post #15

I work in software development for Danish hospitals, and some regions already used OpenOffice, now libre office, for .. well over 15 years. At least in parts. We integrate with an API into libreoffice, and it more or less did not change in well over a decade. But sometimes libreoffice crashes and you can't figure out why. There are just no logs. It feels like a black box at times. But I don't think they will be switc…

> But I don't think they will be switching away from Teams as quickly.

I'm interested to know why Teams is so sticky for the team. Are there not good replacements available? I've used it a little, but am by no means a power user.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by NetMageSCW »

lpcvoid wrote: post #244
philipallstar wrote: post #240

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> The lock in only exists in brains of (old) people that can't adapt. I think this is a little superficial. There will be mountains of existing Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents that would need converting, as well as configured permissions structures and remotely managed laptop configurations that currently are working well. Of course anything is possible given enough time and money. The real issue isn't to do with you…

>There will be mountains of existing Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents that would need converting, as well as configured permissions structures and remotely managed laptop configurations that currently are working well Well, they are not working well right now, because they could be rendered inoperable at any moment through Microsoft flipping a switch. That risk is real and has precedent (ICC having their Outlook acces…

How much are you willing to have your taxes go up?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by llm_nerd »

kyboren wrote: post #350
llm_nerd wrote: post #339

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Bizarre that you cite state immunity like this is some fundamental truth. Talk about sophistry. Do you understand what a "legal concept" is? And if you think the US of all places observes the notion of state immunity for other states, that's just a fucking howler. "Beyond the absurd sophistry and incoherent reasoning" There is literally nothing incoherent about the reasoning. "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and l…

Bizarre that you hold the validity of the ICC's claim to jurisdiction up as some fundamental truth. It's a creature of its signatory states and is not some arbiter of morality. Regardless of the US's willingness to ignore customary international law, the "International Criminal Court"'s willingness to ignore customary international law is worthy of reprimand, and their facially ridiculous claim to jurisdiction over G…

>Bizarre that you hold the validity of the ICC's claim to jurisdiction up as some fundamental truth.

But...I didn't. The members of the ICC observe the findings of the ICC. Another bizarre non-sequitur. No one is demanding that the US honour the ICC's warrant.

The ICC has no authority in Israel. Nor do they claim to. But they do in the member countries, which thoroughly angers the Idiocracy.

>willingness to ignore customary international law

Absolutely delusional nonsense. The hypocrisy in the claim that state immunity is some overarching thing -- when neither Israel or the US honour such a ridiculous notion -- is amazing given the context.

>It seems to me that there is actually a great deal of confusion about what exactly "Palestine" means

Absolutely no one but Israelis and Americans have any (convenient) confusion on this. Palestine is the non-Israel parts of the former Palestine. Playing incredibly stupid is unconvincing.

>Conversing with you is a chore

Ah, the "you're all butthurt Europeans" American-exceptionalism guy thinks it's a chore. Good god.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by NetMageSCW »

lpcvoid wrote: post #244
philipallstar wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The lock in only exists in brains of (old) people that can't adapt. I think this is a little superficial. There will be mountains of existing Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents that would need converting, as well as configured permissions structures and remotely managed laptop configurations that currently are working well. Of course anything is possible given enough time and money. The real issue isn't to do with you…

>There will be mountains of existing Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents that would need converting, as well as configured permissions structures and remotely managed laptop configurations that currently are working well Well, they are not working well right now, because they could be rendered inoperable at any moment through Microsoft flipping a switch. That risk is real and has precedent (ICC having their Outlook acces…

>Well, they are not working well right now, because they could be rendered inoperable at any moment through Microsoft flipping a switch.

They are literally working well right now, because Microsoft hasn’t flipped that switch and may never do so.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by ggm »

foobarian wrote: post #215
esafak wrote: post #211

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What counts as data sovereignty in your book? Are the sovereign clouds of AWS, MS, Google acceptable? If not, who are your preferred providers?

Should we discuss DNS root servers at some point too?

Run local root. Rootservers are not essential. It's in ietf draft discussion now as 4 documents but already works and just has to be turned on.

If you want to change pace, ask your dns sw provider to turn on local root by default.

(One of the things being defined is how to get a root zone trustably out of band using the new ZONEMD checksum)

A bigger question might be why there are no ICANN HSM outside the USA to generate root zone signings. ICANN has offices in Geneva and Singapore, it would not be hard to find secure DC locations for the signing ceremonies.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

llm_nerd wrote: post #322
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #314

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Why shouldn't the USA sanction a clear overstep of authority? Neither the USA or Israel are part of the ICC.

Overstep? ICC members make judgements that are abided by ICC member states. They have every authority to make those judgments, and it does not matter what the busted idiocracy US of A, acting as a pathetic supplicant state for their boss Israel, thinks about it. Maybe Trump can complain to his unbelievably pathetic Board of Peace. Christ. The war criminal Netanyahu can stick to the rogue shitholes he is welcomed at.…

> And yes, the US can sanction whoever they want, but such actions are far from free..

Honestly the biggest problem that's coming out of all of this is the US is finding out most of its actions actually are free... Like everyone know the US was "stronger" and better positioned than Europe 10 years ago but it's just gotten ridiculously skewed.

With Europe losing basically all ability to push back against the US because of their poor decision making we've lost a critical moderating influence on the USA.

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