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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by XorNot »

edwinjm wrote: post #232
beached_whale wrote: post #224

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Countries hosting the data centres can make it illegal to allow access from outside their area/EU... or specifically to US entities along with making it illegal to move any data out without customer/local gov approval... This isn't rocket science. The company cannot do business if it doesn't follow the law. There are laws like this in places already. The company's local subsidiary tells the American company to polite…

An American company will always follow US law, no matter the local laws.

The employees of the actual subsidiary entity follow the laws of the country they're based in.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by Spooky23 »

lpcvoid wrote: post #132
lukan wrote: post #120

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Have you worked in government services and know what their needs are? I did not, but as far as I know, they require a bit more more than some office solution, shared drive and some email client. (How do you imagine how it works internally if you apply for a new passport, they just send some office documents via email around?)

I have worked in (German) Government, and apart from complacency (and maybe corruption, see Limux) there's nothing stopping the German government (at least at federal level) from adopting open source. If processes depend on some crappy excel table (created by somebody 20 years ago) or even worse, sharepoint app (commissioned by people who shouldn't be deciding things like this), the processes suck and need to be rebu…

Government is top down. Once the top level people are engaged and accountable, they can do anything.

The people in the middle can ensnare and kill anything that doesn’t have that support and engagement - their incentive is to encourage consistency.

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Post by kyboren »

pu_pe wrote: post #67

One aspect of the AI bubble that is not talked about very much is how the European market is a key factor in any serious calculation about future revenue. If Europe decides to, or is forced to decouple its digital infrastructure from the US, that essentially slashes the addressable market of a company like chatGPT by a third. And Europe has some of the richest customers too. In other words, Sam Altman et al. should b…

Maybe this will happen eventually but decoupling any time soon is a pipe dream. For the foreseeable future, Europe's BATNA is shit.

Forget Microsoft and Google services, what about the hardware? To support all this new demand for European infrastructure you'll have to buy tons of new gear from mostly American companies: AMD, INTC, NVDA, MU, etc.

Are cutting-edge European competitors going to suddenly spring into existence to satisfy that demand? Is TSMC gonna allocate wafer spins to some scrappy EU startup instead of NVDA, AAPL, AMZN, MSFT, AMD, INTC, AVGO, QCOM?

I dunno if you've been paying attention to the market but demand for all data center components has gone through the roof and supply is already spoken for for years to come. The hardware you'd need to decouple simply isn't available, when it becomes available you'll be competing with nearly $1T in annual hyperscaler CapEx, and Europe has no capability to produce domestic alternatives.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by XorNot »

l72 wrote: post #323
cguess wrote: post #297

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There's not even a reasonable FOSS calendar for Linux that integrates with email. Thunderbird has it, but it doesn't work with Google's Advanced Protection for instance.

Evolution has worked with every corporate environment I’ve been in since 2003. Mail, calendar, contacts, tasks has always worked great, including companies that have used outlook, Google, and others. I personally don’t love thunderbird, but what is it missing? Gnome through their online accounts supports most major corporate providers which has calendars showing up in evolution, the dedicated calendar app, and in the…

Currently I need Thunderbird to support Oauth login using a yubikey with a webauthn and a pin.

I can't enter a pin to authenticate, so I can't use it.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by encom »

>reduce dependence on U.S. tech firms

Let's have a look:

    $ host -t A digmin.dk
    digmin.dk has address 172.232.147.252
    digmin.dk has address 172.233.57.17
    
    $ whois 172.233.57.17 | grep -i orgname
    OrgName:        Akamai Technologies, Inc.
    OrgName:        Linode
Pathetic.

This kind of press release happens every so often. It's an election year, so that probably explains it. Nothing ever comes of it. As someone employed in the danish public sector, I'd love nothing more than to never have to use Outlook again, but it's unlikely to happen.

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Post by encom »

tsoukase wrote: post #213

An open source replacement of proprietary SW is very easy in the beginning but becomes hard quickly. You grab a Linux distribution and the App that match the functionality at best and call it a day. But the next day a bunch of problems arise: some features are not implemented, the UI is not ergonomic, the stability is not there and when updates come, the situation goes overboard. The billions of dollars don't start s…

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FUD

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by yardie »

cguess wrote: post #301
yardie wrote: post #223

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A lot of hospitals and healthcare systems in Europe use the open source EMR platform. No ones charts are in .docx format, it is not life or death, lets be serious.

Hospitals are also planning documents, budgets, schedules, grants, reports, all with different access levels, privacy requirements, and legal regulations. They're far more than just patient care in the moment.

Certainly true, but no one is dying because payroll is down.

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Post by max51 »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #227
Johnny555 wrote: post #222

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The problem is that Google only covers "most of it", so even if it covers 99% of use cases, for that cases where it doesn't, companies still need MS Office. I worked for a startup that was all OSX desktops and Google Docs. Then when we hit 100 employees, the finance department required MS Office, so they used Office for Mac, then as we grew, they needed real MS Office running in Windows, so they ran Windows in Parall…

Any insight in to why the finance department (and other departments) required MS office?

For a power user, There is nothing even remotely comparable to Excel that exists today.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by llm_nerd »

kyboren wrote: post #326
llm_nerd wrote: post #322

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Overstep? ICC members make judgements that are abided by ICC member states. They have every authority to make those judgments, and it does not matter what the busted idiocracy US of A, acting as a pathetic supplicant state for their boss Israel, thinks about it. Maybe Trump can complain to his unbelievably pathetic Board of Peace. Christ. The war criminal Netanyahu can stick to the rogue shitholes he is welcomed at.…

ICC claims[0] that since: - The Palestinian Authority claims to represent 'Palestine' - UNGA Resolution 67/19 "Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self- determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" - They consider Gaza "Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" (despite the fact that Gaza has certainly not been occupied by Israel for dec…

Bizarre that you cite state immunity like this is some fundamental truth. Talk about sophistry. Do you understand what a "legal concept" is? And if you think the US of all places observes the notion of state immunity for other states, that's just a fucking howler.

"Beyond the absurd sophistry and incoherent reasoning"

There is literally nothing incoherent about the reasoning. "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and literally no one aside from Israel-bots have any confusion about what that means. The fact that Israel, a rogue nuclear armed global pariah, isn't is *utterly irrelevant*. Netanyahu is to be held accountable if they step foot in any Western nation beside its partner in crime Idiocracy supplicant.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by rstuart4133 »

beached_whale wrote: post #224
delfinom wrote: post #218

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The US passed the CLOUD Act which subject all those sovereign clouds run by US companies completely subject to US spying and hijack. Those offerings are garbage for anyone outside the US.

Countries hosting the data centres can make it illegal to allow access from outside their area/EU... or specifically to US entities along with making it illegal to move any data out without customer/local gov approval... This isn't rocket science. The company cannot do business if it doesn't follow the law. There are laws like this in places already. The company's local subsidiary tells the American company to polite…

America has become China in the eyes of the world.

Everyone banned Huawei products despite the ability to pass laws saying Huawei must respect data sovereignty. They didn't ban US firms, because unlike China the USA was championing the rule of law at the time. Data sovereignty only works if the USA respects the laws of other countries, even though, just like China, they could coerce / bribe citizens and firms to bypass them. Such activity would be largely undetectable. Who is going to know if someone peeked at a secret document stored in Azure? There was a huge amount of trust involved in the arrangement.

The USA has now denounced the rule of law, is withdrawing the the institutions set up to champion it, and has shut down the ICCC's access to some services. The trust has gone.

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