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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by dijit »

andix wrote: post #186
Mashimo wrote: post #15

I work in software development for Danish hospitals, and some regions already used OpenOffice, now libre office, for .. well over 15 years. At least in parts. We integrate with an API into libreoffice, and it more or less did not change in well over a decade. But sometimes libreoffice crashes and you can't figure out why. There are just no logs. It feels like a black box at times. But I don't think they will be switc…

Switching from Word/Excel to LibreOffice is comparably easy. A lot of other Microsoft Products are much harder to get rid of. I've never seen a European corporation that doesn't do user management with ActiveDirectory. Some still have it on their own Windows servers, but most browser based applications still go through Entra (Azure Cloud based AD). Just shut off their Entra/AAD and most of their software is blocked b…

Agreed, and even things like Keycloak/FreeIPA are only partial solutions.

FreeIPA in particular is a beast to maintain, it puts kubernetes-cowboys to shame.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by dlubarov »

llm_nerd wrote: post #339
kyboren wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICC claims[0] that since: - The Palestinian Authority claims to represent 'Palestine' - UNGA Resolution 67/19 "Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self- determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" - They consider Gaza "Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" (despite the fact that Gaza has certainly not been occupied by Israel for dec…

Bizarre that you cite state immunity like this is some fundamental truth. Talk about sophistry. Do you understand what a "legal concept" is? And if you think the US of all places observes the notion of state immunity for other states, that's just a fucking howler. "Beyond the absurd sophistry and incoherent reasoning" There is literally nothing incoherent about the reasoning. "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and l…

> "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and literally no one aside from Israel-bots have any confusion about what that means.

Except that the people who joined on behalf of Palestine have never controlled Gaza, while the government that actually controls Gaza never accepted the ICC's jurisdiction.

I can similarly declare myself the king of Gaza, and decree that Gaza is under the jurisdiction of my newly invented Court of Daniel, and it would make about as much sense from a legal perspective.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by Johnny555 »

sho wrote: post #300
Johnny555 wrote: post #239

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Their initial need for Office was some soft of forecasting model that they needed to update for a large investor. That was a big spreadsheet that ran on Office for OSX if I remember correctly. After that, I don't know what specifically they needed to use, they had purchased some software that required Windows and Office.

Call me cynical, but having been around the block a few times when I hear "need" and "require" my brain translates that to "want" and "it would be convenient if". I've done my share of forecasting for investors and am quite confident that there is nothing in any startup forecast that could conceivably "require" Windows. I mean, absolute worst case, just use SQL. The CFO just preferred Windows, that's it, I'd bet mone…

The requirement came from the investment house - they wanted data in the format they were accustomed to.

What was driving that requirement at the investment house doesn't matter, when the company that owns over 50% of your company wants something, you don't say "Hey, we don't want to buy a Windows license with your money, how about I send it to you in this similar, but different format and then you guys can figure out how to make it match what you're looking for?"

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by llm_nerd »

dlubarov wrote: post #342
llm_nerd wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bizarre that you cite state immunity like this is some fundamental truth. Talk about sophistry. Do you understand what a "legal concept" is? And if you think the US of all places observes the notion of state immunity for other states, that's just a fucking howler. "Beyond the absurd sophistry and incoherent reasoning" There is literally nothing incoherent about the reasoning. "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and l…

> "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and literally no one aside from Israel-bots have any confusion about what that means. Except that the people who joined on behalf of Palestine have never controlled Gaza, while the government that actually controls Gaza never accepted the ICC's jurisdiction. I can similarly declare myself the king of Gaza, and decree that Gaza is under the jurisdiction of my newly invented Court…

>Except that the people who joined on behalf of Palestine have never controlled Gaza

They literally, directly controlled Gaza until 2006. So what's with the lies?

There is good evidence that they lost control because Netanyahu covertly supported Hamas. Riling up fundies to do vile things is good business when your goal is getting a massively armed idiocracy simp nation to do your bidding.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by JuniperMesos »

prerok wrote: post #329
gizzlon wrote: post #247

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> "Data sovereignty" is now an important parameter when chosing supplier. I hope you're right! I'm a backend dev and engineer, and I would love to specialize in helping companies off US cloud. Haven't found a lot of interest here in Norway so far..

In my experience, companies are perfectly happy with US companies, as long as the data doesn't leave Europe. This means we have to prove we only store data in European datacenters. I guess that's fine for now, but it would be better if we could get European alternatives to AWS or GCP.

And why wouldn't this European equivalent do something that a lot of people in Europe dislike too, in the future? The entire model of large cloud companies is bad.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by MengerSponge »

bonesss wrote: post #305
MengerSponge wrote: post #269

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It makes you wonder what critics think the process should look like? Plan A: Just burn it down and rebuild FOSS in the ashes. Plan B: The tech modernization agency can make the transition, document and enhance the process, and then guide less savvy users. I dunno. Tough call.

Also, how does government work? Model A: some visionary gets a great idea and everyone across the board stops whatever they’re doing all at once to prioritize this one initiative, budgets and contracts and laws be damned. Model B: the modernization department sets standards, those standards are mandatory in the governments procurement process. All suppliers know to update, everything swaps out as-planned over time, n…

I can't trust somebody with that many vowels.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by gizzlon »

prerok wrote: post #329
gizzlon wrote: post #247

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> "Data sovereignty" is now an important parameter when chosing supplier. I hope you're right! I'm a backend dev and engineer, and I would love to specialize in helping companies off US cloud. Haven't found a lot of interest here in Norway so far..

In my experience, companies are perfectly happy with US companies, as long as the data doesn't leave Europe. This means we have to prove we only store data in European datacenters. I guess that's fine for now, but it would be better if we could get European alternatives to AWS or GCP.

There are lots of alternatives in Europe, just a little different, and smaller than the big 3

> companies are perfectly happy with US companies, as long as the data doesn't leave Europe

I think it's pretty clear they can not guarantee that, see the CLOUD act.

Also, they could shut you out or turn your whole business off if you, or your country, offends the orange fuckhead

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by Gigachad »

clickety_clack wrote: post #261
Gigachad wrote: post #88

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Google has drop in replacements for most of it. But that doesn’t solve the problem of using US tech.

After using both extensively, there is no comparison between Google and the MS suite. Google’s apps are like a toy version of MS Office.

The Microsoft ones feel broken, buggy, and bloated with decades of crap. I guess there are some people using those weird edge features, but if you don’t, the Google stuff works way better.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by dlubarov »

llm_nerd wrote: post #344
dlubarov wrote: post #342

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> "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and literally no one aside from Israel-bots have any confusion about what that means. Except that the people who joined on behalf of Palestine have never controlled Gaza, while the government that actually controls Gaza never accepted the ICC's jurisdiction. I can similarly declare myself the king of Gaza, and decree that Gaza is under the jurisdiction of my newly invented Court…

>Except that the people who joined on behalf of Palestine have never controlled Gaza They literally, directly controlled Gaza until 2006. So what's with the lies? There is good evidence that they lost control because Netanyahu covertly supported Hamas. Riling up fundies to do vile things is good business when your goal is getting a massively armed idiocracy simp nation to do your bidding.

It was Israel who controlled Gaza before they withdrew, and Egypt before that. PA helped with with local policing and civil administration; that's not the sort of effective control that's relevant here.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by kyboren »

llm_nerd wrote: post #339
kyboren wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICC claims[0] that since: - The Palestinian Authority claims to represent 'Palestine' - UNGA Resolution 67/19 "Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self- determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" - They consider Gaza "Palestinian territory occupied since 1967" (despite the fact that Gaza has certainly not been occupied by Israel for dec…

Bizarre that you cite state immunity like this is some fundamental truth. Talk about sophistry. Do you understand what a "legal concept" is? And if you think the US of all places observes the notion of state immunity for other states, that's just a fucking howler. "Beyond the absurd sophistry and incoherent reasoning" There is literally nothing incoherent about the reasoning. "Palestine" is a member since 2015, and l…

Bizarre that you hold the validity of the ICC's claim to jurisdiction up as some fundamental truth. It's a creature of its signatory states and is not some arbiter of morality.

Regardless of the US's willingness to ignore customary international law, the "International Criminal Court"'s willingness to ignore customary international law is worthy of reprimand, and their facially ridiculous claim to jurisdiction over Gaza was fairly characterized as overstepping their authority.

> literally no one aside from Israel-bots have any confusion about what that means

"Palestine" probably includes Area A. What about Area B? Probably not Area C. How about the settlements? Gaza--which is actually controlled by a totally different government? East Jerusalem? "From the river to the sea"?

It seems to me that there is actually a great deal of confusion about what exactly "Palestine" means. It certainly doesn't refer to any specific area with defined borders and a single sovereign.

> Israel-bots

> rogue nuclear armed global pariah

> partner in crime Idiocracy supplicant

Conversing with you is a chore and I doubt there is any value to be had continuing our discourse. Have a good one.

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