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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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> Also, they are insanely antisemitic and believe most Jews will go to hell. A good chunk of them are insanely pro-semitic as well, as they adopt the dual covenant belief that Jews will actually also go to heaven as well as Christians. I've actually never met anyone that adhered to the pro-zionist dispensationalist view that fully thought out the implied consequences, then proceeded to harbor a personal hatred of Jew…

I'd really like to get stats on how many evangelicals believe in this "dual covenant" vs how many follow scripture and legitimately believe that Jesus will send all Jews to hell to be tortured forever when he comes back.

I'd point out again, that most dispensationalists don't actually follow their interpretation to it's logical conclusion. And further, the view is not that all Jews will go to hell. It is that a large portion of Jews will suffer through the tribulation period, with most of them dying, but that the "remnant" will survive, all the remaining Jews will turn to follow Jesus, then rule the world under Jesus for 1000 years. And everyone will serve Israel.

I'm annoyed that I spent so much time growing up learning this tbh. But I still find it crazy to call all of your average misguided adherents to this ideology antisemites. The death cult running things, sure.

It's even more ridiculous to call the prosetylizers anti semites for trying to convert Jews, bc based on their world view, if they don't save as many Jews as they can, those Jews are going to suffer terribly instead of being raptured before the tribulation.

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> Terrorism has a simple definition: using force against civilian life to further ones goals. Not disagreeing with the definition but this is what both sides have been doing. Look, blowing up aid workers, which is in question in this article, is also terrorism. Killing unarmed civilians, kids, etc is also terrorist. Also if you you use your definition for what Israel has been doing in the last 70-80 years it makes th…

What political/ideological goal does attacking the aid workers move forward? It's a war crime, no doubt, but terrorism has a meaning that doesn't include all war crimes. > Killing unarmed civilians, kids, etc is also terrorist. The vast majority of lethal force actions in Gaza are targeting Hamas operations. Civilians getting killed by those strikes is NOT terrorism.

> What political/ideological goal does attacking the aid workers move forward?

Terrorizing aid workers, which reduces how much aid reaches the Palestinian population?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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The team involved in this analysis, Forensic Architecture, have a pretty decent youtube channel showing how they do things: https://www.youtube.com/@forensicarchitecture1967/videos

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line

There was a second part to that which is "and surrender". But there's definitely been a large reduction in violence since the hostages were returned. Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

> There was a second part to that which is "and surrender".

Honest question. Why should they surrender?

> Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

A complete and utter inversion of reality.

First page of Google results for: Israel ceasefire violations

“How many times has Israel violated the Gaza ceasefire? Here are the numbers: Since the ceasefire took effect, Israeli attacks have killed at least 615 Palestinians and injured 1,658.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/11/how-many-times-has...

“UN experts urge States to act as Israeli violations threaten fragile Gaza ceasefire” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/11/un-experts-u...

“Israel has violated ceasefire 47 times and killed 38 Palestinians” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/israel-has-vio...

“Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Breaking Ceasefires” https://imeu.org/resources/resources/fact-sheet-israels-hist...

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This seems pretty damning. https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/forensic-architecture/

The Wikipedia page for ngo-monitor.org is quite revealing: > NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor

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I would like to know: is there even a single person here, who actually changed his opinion regarding this whole matter upon seeing this report? Not confirmed anything, but actually was forced to re-evaluate his opinion. Like, previously you thought that IDF are good guys, and all Israel does is justified self-defense measures, and now you see this as genocide of Palestinians? Of course, I assume, the answer is — no o…

Seems like you’re asking “what’s the point of investigating crimes against humanity?”

And if that’s a question you have to ask, then clearly something is very wrong.

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The Wikipedia page for ngo-monitor.org is quite revealing: > NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor

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Huh. You, a comment earlier: "They also have a documented history of being wrong."

Care to "refute the claims" in the linked report instead of attacking the messenger?

Even the IDF had to admit it happened when the video came out. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

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Which fact would you like to dispute? That the Geneva Conventions cover more than civilians is... not tough to back up. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciii-1949

I'm just reminding you that you have no citations in your post. I don't wish to debate you.
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