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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by Volundr »

squeefers wrote: post #349
wongarsu wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word artificial intelligence was coined in a 1955 research proposal [1] which listed seven aspects of the "artificial intelligence problem". Computers using languages was one of them. Another is "neuron nets", which would indeed encompass a large part of ML and at least Google Translate since circa 2016 [2]. This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. The weird thing is this nar…

> This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. show me a screenshot or link of one website or app using AI to mean machine translation from prior to 2022, AI has re-entered the lexicon covering anything from an algorithm to Sora. if anything its broadened, not narrowed in scope. me and you might mean transformer when we say AI, but the average speaker doesnt make that distinction. th…

Here you go: https://web.archive.org/web/20200929085743/https://en.wikipe...

Admittedly I don't think this uses the term AI, but "deep learning" and "artificial neural network" are indeed AI, and if you follow those links in the Wikipedia article you will indeed find them described as such.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by whizzter »

zorked wrote: post #208
duttish wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. I don't think I follow "isn't translating to user numbers", could you elaborate? Here's my thinking: There's 100 users getting updates. There's 40 users sending telemetry with AI enabled There's 10 users sending telemetry with AI disabled So we have 50 people not sending telemetry and using or not using AI. If we assume more likely but not overwhelmingly more it's 30 people. So we end up with 40+20 with AI, and 1…

This correlation may be ilegal to do in large parts of the world. When you disable telemetry you are declaring you don't want to be tracked.

If you attach tracking to get exact set numbers it'd be illegal, but taking an aggregate and doing statistics shouldn't be since it can't be traced to individuals.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by SkyeCA »

Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #173
trainyperson wrote: post #11

This just blocks AI features within Firefox. The feature I would really want here is a switch that blocks AI summaries, overviews, etc. on any websites you browse.

Much of the content online is already AI generated, and many websites have their code AI generated, so you'd soon be left with nothing but blank pages. :)

I'd rather blank pages than consume literal slop.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by whizzter »

altairprime wrote: post #142
whizzter wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should get the best metrics out of update server communications anyhow, 30% or more users getting update downloads than having AI enabled should be obvious.

If my choice is between a single blatant signal of hostility to AI that can’t be misunderstood, and hoping that a pro-AI company’s executives invested in voluntarily correlating two different sets of logs to prove itself wrong, then I’m taking door number one.

Agreed, but we have laws about PII in so many places so this is what we'll probably get.

Still, AI services cost money they probably want to check usage since money talks.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by wongarsu »

squeefers wrote: post #349
wongarsu wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word artificial intelligence was coined in a 1955 research proposal [1] which listed seven aspects of the "artificial intelligence problem". Computers using languages was one of them. Another is "neuron nets", which would indeed encompass a large part of ML and at least Google Translate since circa 2016 [2]. This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. The weird thing is this nar…

> This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. show me a screenshot or link of one website or app using AI to mean machine translation from prior to 2022, AI has re-entered the lexicon covering anything from an algorithm to Sora. if anything its broadened, not narrowed in scope. me and you might mean transformer when we say AI, but the average speaker doesnt make that distinction. th…

2018: "DeepL - AI Assistance for Language" https://web.archive.org/web/20180906040822/https://www.deepl...

2020: "DeepL Pro, released in March of 2018, is our latest product, now allowing subscribers to unlock the full capacity of DeepL’s AI translation technology" https://web.archive.org/web/20200429002724/https://www.deepl...

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by squeefers »

wongarsu wrote: post #355
squeefers wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. show me a screenshot or link of one website or app using AI to mean machine translation from prior to 2022, AI has re-entered the lexicon covering anything from an algorithm to Sora. if anything its broadened, not narrowed in scope. me and you might mean transformer when we say AI, but the average speaker doesnt make that distinction. th…

2018: "DeepL - AI Assistance for Language" https://web.archive.org/web/20180906040822/https://www.deepl... 2020: "DeepL Pro, released in March of 2018, is our latest product, now allowing subscribers to unlock the full capacity of DeepL’s AI translation technology" https://web.archive.org/web/20200429002724/https://www.deepl...

are these examples of AI meaning machine translation? because they all have the word translation next to them. not the same thing

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by squeefers »

Volundr wrote: post #351
squeefers wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. show me a screenshot or link of one website or app using AI to mean machine translation from prior to 2022, AI has re-entered the lexicon covering anything from an algorithm to Sora. if anything its broadened, not narrowed in scope. me and you might mean transformer when we say AI, but the average speaker doesnt make that distinction. th…

Here you go: https://web.archive.org/web/20200929085743/https://en.wikipe... Admittedly I don't think this uses the term AI, but "deep learning" and "artificial neural network" are indeed AI, and if you follow those links in the Wikipedia article you will indeed find them described as such.

i agree, but the guy said AI was a synonym for machine translation long before the currently confused meaning appeared

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by samtheDamned »

ginko wrote: post #295
elorant wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from the UI which is crap since their last major update. There are menu options everywhere, two ribbons on the top, a hamburger menu on the right and another on the left. For a long time you opened Thunderbird and it didn't default on the last message that you received but somewhere in the middle of the heap.

As a longterm thunderbird user I find this annoying. I appreciate it being maintained more actively again but I really liked the fact that the UI stayed stable for years. Changing things to make them "more modern" is just annoying. No one asked for this.

I was asking for it :/ (see: wishing vainly while project development appeared to be petering out)

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by wongarsu »

squeefers wrote: post #356
wongarsu wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2018: "DeepL - AI Assistance for Language" https://web.archive.org/web/20180906040822/https://www.deepl... 2020: "DeepL Pro, released in March of 2018, is our latest product, now allowing subscribers to unlock the full capacity of DeepL’s AI translation technology" https://web.archive.org/web/20200429002724/https://www.deepl...

are these examples of AI meaning machine translation? because they all have the word translation next to them. not the same thing

They are examples of AI being a category that contains (a subset of) translation technology. Which is consistent with Mozilla's use of "you can disable AI, which will also disable translation"

If you are asking about examples of AI being synonymous with machine translation: no, I don't think that was ever a thing. But I also don't think that was claimed

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by mostlysimilar »

e40 wrote: post #337
mmsc wrote: post #189

In addition to completely disabling AI, I found the following setting extremely convinent to disable in about:config. They clutter up my right-click on a link or on text selection. browser.translations.select.enable dom.text_fragments.enabled privacy.query_stripping.strip_on_share.enabled devtools.accessibility.enabled Now if only I could get rid of "Print selection" and "Services" when right-clicking, too (on MacOS)

Why would you disable "dom.text_fragments.enabled"? Why "privacy.query_stripping.strip_on_share.enabled"? The latter, especially, seems helpful.

It strips query params used for tracking. Has it never bothered you when you click share on Instagram or YouTube and it inserts a unique-to-you "share ID" in the URL? I was burned by this once, now every time I copy a share URL from a social media platform I first paste it into my text editor and remove all of the privacy invasive tracking cruft.

As an aside I think it's only matter of time before this is done without query params and instead each share link is generated just for you.

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