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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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It's basically ungoogled-chromium with manifest v2 support. Chromium is just technically superior than Firefox. It's a simple fact. The problem is the telemetry and AI features they added in it, which Helium or ungoogled-chromium doesn't have.

>It's a simple fact I'd love to hear why you say this.

> It's a simple fact

one mans fact, is another ones fodder :o)

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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I don't know...at one point I got off Firefox because it was slow and I was never able to get back to it ever again. Maybe I should try now?

Why do you actually ask? Switching browsers has got to be one of the easiest software to switch, right?

Is it? I have autofill/passwords, bookmarks, etc., and you can't easily jump between two different browsers as those will get out of sync.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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People vehemently asked for a kill switch that does exactly that - kill off all AI-related features. I quite like the local LLM translations etc., but jedem Tierchen sein Plaisierchen, as they say over here.

Seems like willful disregard of the fact that "AI" has been now pushed as synonymous with chatbots, "AI summaries", LLM text generation when convenient, but then at criticism, it goes back to "oh but machine translators are AI too".

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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In addition to completely disabling AI, I found the following setting extremely convinent to disable in about:config. They clutter up my right-click on a link or on text selection. browser.translations.select.enable dom.text_fragments.enabled privacy.query_stripping.strip_on_share.enabled devtools.accessibility.enabled Now if only I could get rid of "Print selection" and "Services" when right-clicking, too (on MacOS)

Try modifying a webpage’s source to open with . If that works, you can make that universal using any page-mod plugin (though not necessarily the userstyle CSS-only ones). I’m mobile-only tonight so I can’t test myself, but derived from:

https://searchfox.org/firefox-main/source/layout/printing/ns...

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Meanwhile I still do not have the option to change/create the profile from menu. I kow about about:profiles but I dont have this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/profile-management/

You can do this in Vivaldi if you don't want to use Chrome.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Structure-wise, that comment is not great. Why do you think it’s AI — simply because of a dash of flavor?

Click on the profile. Read every comment made since the account started posting again. Tell me what you think about those comments.

Besides the telltale "it's not x, it's y" used repeatedly in their comment history, I also struggle to imagine what would motivate a human to type such blandly agreeable jargon-filled pablum. I'd certainly prefer not read it, even if it didn't spill out of an LLM.

Thanks for making a stink about it.

(edit: I now see you used the p-word to describe it too, and normally I'd edit my post to use a different synonym, but "pablum" really is the perfect description. I also assume you already reported this account to hn@ so I won't bug the mods a second time.)

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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I would absolutely love to hear your reasoning that leads to type systems being considered a "restriction of end-user computing freedoms". For those that don't know what trusted types are: Simply put, it splits the string type in to unsanitised_string_from_user and safe_escaped_string where unsafe strings can not be used in function parameters that only take a safe string That's heavily simplifying of course, but it'…

Skimming the API docs on MDN, it makes sure the site vendor gets to run filtering code over anything you'd want to inject via e.g. user script or console, securing it with CSP. I expect this to make user scripts work as well as they do on Chrome now. If there's a workaround, I'd love to hear about it.

Oh just great. The web is bad enough already, I think I'll have to go live in the woods if userscripts get kneecapped

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

#238

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Question is, can you sidestep or disable them in user scripts or in developer tools, without disabling CSP entirely or doing something even more invasive (and generally precluding use of that browser instance for browsing)?

We made sure to exclude WebExtensions code from web pages's Trusted Types restrictions enforcement. (Bugs can happen of course)

Sorry, so you mean something like Violentmonkey scripts would be unaffected?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Firefox mentions the following ones: "- Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language. - Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages. - AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names. - Link previews, which show key points before you open a link. - AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, includin…

I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar. Isn't a chat bot in a tab good enough? And calling translation "AI" seems like deceitful retroactive rebranding. Why is machine translation suddenly "AI" now ? It was never branded as such before. Is "AI" here just used to mean machine learning?

They use a Neural Network engine to power it. That definitely counts as AI:

https://aclanthology.org/P18-4020/

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Firefox mentions the following ones: "- Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language. - Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages. - AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names. - Link previews, which show key points before you open a link. - AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, includin…

I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar. Isn't a chat bot in a tab good enough? And calling translation "AI" seems like deceitful retroactive rebranding. Why is machine translation suddenly "AI" now ? It was never branded as such before. Is "AI" here just used to mean machine learning?

The word artificial intelligence was coined in a 1955 research proposal [1] which listed seven aspects of the "artificial intelligence problem". Computers using languages was one of them. Another is "neuron nets", which would indeed encompass a large part of ML and at least Google Translate since circa 2016 [2].

This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. The weird thing is this narrowing of AI to only mean transformer or diffusion based neural network approaches.

And many translation approaches would even fall under that, so not sure how narrow you perceive the term to be now. How do you even define AI to include everything OpenAI calls AI but not include modern translation approaches

1: https://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmo...

2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180507195240/https://ai.google...

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