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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by TeMPOraL »

LiamPowell wrote: post #38
TeMPOraL wrote: post #9

I'm torn on whether to see this "AI Kill switch" as a win on respecting the users, or something to keep us distractewd while they ship through "Trusted Types" API that sounds like further restriction of end-user computing freedoms.

I would absolutely love to hear your reasoning that leads to type systems being considered a "restriction of end-user computing freedoms". For those that don't know what trusted types are: Simply put, it splits the string type in to unsanitised_string_from_user and safe_escaped_string where unsafe strings can not be used in function parameters that only take a safe string That's heavily simplifying of course, but it'…

Skimming the API docs on MDN, it makes sure the site vendor gets to run filtering code over anything you'd want to inject via e.g. user script or console, securing it with CSP. I expect this to make user scripts work as well as they do on Chrome now. If there's a workaround, I'd love to hear about it.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by debugnik »

jahsome wrote: post #64
nullsanity wrote: post #45

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I was being sincere, my friend. I genuinely envy that worldview. I long for it. I wish above nearly all else I could reset. I was being authentic and vulnerable. Why does that infuriate you? Read your statement again and tell me who the pessimist is, and who is most in need of a break from the internet.

You envy the worldview in which people back their opinions with actual arguments?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by usefulposter »

snowhale wrote: post #42

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47077431, by dang, 4 days ago:

    All:

    (1) Generated comments aren't allowed on HN - this rule predates LLMs but obviously applies even more now: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22generated%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment

    (2) If you see accounts that look like they're mostly posting genAI comments, please let us know at hn@ycombinator.com. That's how I found my way to these cases.
>"But I use it to help my English!!!! Who cares if it's AI if the comment is good??????????"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46747998, by dang, 1 month ago:

    Please don't post generated or AI-filtered posts to HN. We want to hear you in your own voice, and it's fine if your English isn't perfect.
If you don't flag this shit when you see it, HN is fucked. The commons is fucked. And you all keep upvoting and replying to comments from accounts that start posting 30 comments a day after 2 years of silence that are all one tightly packed paragraph of pablum with the same structure and tells that are harder to fix than replacing the em dash with a double hyphen.

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P.S. The actual comment is (surprise!) completely wrong. Visit Settings -> AI Controls and you will see a granular set of feature switches under the master kill switch. Each has a clear title and description and is independent.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by TeMPOraL »

debugnik wrote: post #69
TeMPOraL wrote: post #9

I'm torn on whether to see this "AI Kill switch" as a win on respecting the users, or something to keep us distractewd while they ship through "Trusted Types" API that sounds like further restriction of end-user computing freedoms.

Aren't those just overengineered sanitizers?

Question is, can you sidestep or disable them in user scripts or in developer tools, without disabling CSP entirely or doing something even more invasive (and generally precluding use of that browser instance for browsing)?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by jahsome »

debugnik wrote: post #72
jahsome wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was being sincere, my friend. I genuinely envy that worldview. I long for it. I wish above nearly all else I could reset. I was being authentic and vulnerable. Why does that infuriate you? Read your statement again and tell me who the pessimist is, and who is most in need of a break from the internet.

You envy the worldview in which people back their opinions with actual arguments?

I envy the worldview it's possible someone can take money from another and still maintain independence.

What's up with the straw men?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by eqvinox »

charcircuit wrote: post #59
reddalo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do it. It's the only truly independent browser left. It's not perfect, but it works, and unlike Chrome you can have full ad blocking with uBlock Origin.

With Brave you can have ad blocking built into the browser itself and not have to depend on a third party developer.

The first party developer in case of Brave is arguably worse than most 3rd party developers elsewhere.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by debugnik »

jahsome wrote: post #75
debugnik wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You envy the worldview in which people back their opinions with actual arguments?

I envy the worldview it's possible someone can take money from another and still maintain independence. What's up with the straw men?

> What's up with the avalanche of straw men?

Poor quality comments lead to poor quality replies. I won't deny mine is as well.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by lastorset »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #9

I'm torn on whether to see this "AI Kill switch" as a win on respecting the users, or something to keep us distractewd while they ship through "Trusted Types" API that sounds like further restriction of end-user computing freedoms.

You may be thinking of the much-hated "Trusted Computing" initiative. "Trusted" here means that the JavaScript dev picks a sanitizing library they trust, not that Mozilla decides what software is trustworthy.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by p_ing »

usefulposter wrote: post #73
snowhale wrote: post #42

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47077431 , by dang, 4 days ago: All: (1) Generated comments aren't allowed on HN - this rule predates LLMs but obviously applies even more now: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22generated%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment (2) If you see accounts that look like they're mostly posting genAI comments, please let us know at hn@ycombinat…

Structure-wise, that comment is not great. Why do you think it’s AI — simply because of a dash of flavor?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by ryandrake »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #47
snowhale wrote: post #42

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Thing is, there's a large (or at least certainly vocal) contingent of users (and mostly techies, to boot) that view "AI" as the Devil, and transformer models as the original sin, and they want to refuse to partake, wholesale. This feature seems to be a nod to people with this worldview. EDIT: See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47133786 liking AI features to defecating on your food. It's not a technical obj…

I figure, hey, at least Mozilla listened and provided the opt-out. It could be worse. I also happen to be in the "food defecating analogy" camp, and I can give the developer an unenthusiastic thumbs up for at least listening to the peanut gallery this time.

Ideally they wouldn't make the product bad, with a badness opt-out, in the first place, but everyone in Silicon Valley's got to feed the AI monkey. So I guess this is the best we can expect.

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