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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by input_sh »

mort96 wrote: post #156
input_sh wrote: post #149

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IMHO no. Every chatbot has so much wasted space, it really doesn't need to be full-width. Also, what's easier? Option 1: Being on a tab, copying the URL of the tab, switching to the chatbot tab, pasting the URL and writing some instructions about what to do with that tab. Option 2: Clicking on the "summarise page" button (whether from the sidebar or from right-click context menu), and having the browser pre-fill the…

Option 3: don't

Then you right-click on the AI button and click on "remove", but that's a whole different discussion than what you asked in the previous comment.

It's also why I really don't understand the need for a kill switch to begin with (other than pleasing annoying users), you don't need to wait for it. You can already get rid of the chatbot integration, there's a remove button already. It's also kind of annoyingly easy to misclick it, so they're just gonna remove it from those places and put it away in settings and those same annoying users will consider that a win.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by jll29 »

In case you're looking for the opposite, not an AI "kill switch", but a propaganda kill switch using AI to fight disinformatiom, try BiasScanner:

BiasScanner - Firefox Plug-In https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/bias-scanner/

Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.10829

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by numpad0 »

raybb wrote: post #85
sickmartian wrote: post #32

Great, let's see how it works out. Firefox for Android has been killing it for me with the latest ux updates, I didn't expect major improvements there and was pleasantly surprised.

This UI is great but do you get this horrible thing where sometimes the browser is shows a white screen and you have to force stop the app? Happens all the time on the latest version for my Pixel 9a. And did on my Pixel 7 too before. It's really horrible and I can't pin down any rhythm or reason other than loosely seeming to happen more often when I'm in battery saver mode.

Never. Using a Snapdragon phone. Sounds like an another isue with the Tensor SoC...

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by evilpie »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #74
debugnik wrote: post #69

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Aren't those just overengineered sanitizers?

Question is, can you sidestep or disable them in user scripts or in developer tools, without disabling CSP entirely or doing something even more invasive (and generally precluding use of that browser instance for browsing)?

We made sure to exclude WebExtensions code from web pages's Trusted Types restrictions enforcement. (Bugs can happen of course)

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by xigoi »

p_ing wrote: post #79
usefulposter wrote: post #73

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47077431 , by dang, 4 days ago: All: (1) Generated comments aren't allowed on HN - this rule predates LLMs but obviously applies even more now: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22generated%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment (2) If you see accounts that look like they're mostly posting genAI comments, please let us know at hn@ycombinat…

Structure-wise, that comment is not great. Why do you think it’s AI — simply because of a dash of flavor?

Not to mention that an LLM would presumably use an actual dash, not two hyphen-minuses.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lastorset wrote: post #78
TeMPOraL wrote: post #9

I'm torn on whether to see this "AI Kill switch" as a win on respecting the users, or something to keep us distractewd while they ship through "Trusted Types" API that sounds like further restriction of end-user computing freedoms.

You may be thinking of the much-hated "Trusted Computing" initiative. "Trusted" here means that the JavaScript dev picks a sanitizing library they trust, not that Mozilla decides what software is trustworthy.

Nah, my issue isn't with users vs. Mozilla, but users vs. "JavaScript dev", specifically the difference of opinion on who should have final say on what gets executed and what doesn't.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by mort96 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #160
mort96 wrote: post #139

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Why is there a chat bot sidebar??? And even if there aren't that many bad AI features now, they've signalled their intent for Firefox to become an "AI browser". I don't know what they mean by that, but I know I don't want it. The chat bot sidebar is surely just the beginning. It's primarily in response to the backlash from people who don't want an "AI browser" that they're promising a kill switch. But I don't want to…

> Why is there a chat bot sidebar??? To save users from copy-pasting to a separate chatbot instance, or installing sketchy extensions? It's clunky, but it's helpful and exposes users to more alternatives. AFAIK it can be made to connect to local models now, too. LLM side tab is a powerful mode of AI use that most people haven't experienced yet; for some reason this space seems underdeveloped publicly relative to some…

I don't know what Mozilla means by "AI browser", but one would assume it means more than "regular browser with an optional chat bot sidebar". I don't wanna figure out what it means, I don't wanna use anything that could fairly be described as an "AI browser".

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by mort96 »

input_sh wrote: post #161
mort96 wrote: post #156

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Option 3: don't

Then you right-click on the AI button and click on "remove", but that's a whole different discussion than what you asked in the previous comment. It's also why I really don't understand the need for a kill switch to begin with (other than pleasing annoying users), you don't need to wait for it. You can already get rid of the chatbot integration, there's a remove button already. It's also kind of annoyingly easy to mi…

Why can't you people who want a ChatGPT sidebar just add that as a plugin?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by krige »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #151
krige wrote: post #116

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As someone both exposed to this new wave of LLM style translation in various media, and someone who has background in translation, no we didn't .

Could you please explain briefly then why my statement is wrong? What are the fundamental challenges not addressed by LLMs today? Do you think the whole approach has insurmountable roadblocks ahead, or is it more of a matter of refinement?

Context dependant phrases, from simple pronouns to whole domain specific terms, are still randomly wrong, sometimes appallingly so. Hallucinations still happen. Auto-AI translation youtube uses is, bluntly, horrid. Any jokes, even obvious ones, are still fumbled frequently.

LLM based translation looks more convincing but requires the same level of scrutiny that previous tools did. From a workflow POV they only added higher compute costs for very questionable gains.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by mort96 »

gkbrk wrote: post #155
mort96 wrote: post #139

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Why is there a chat bot sidebar??? And even if there aren't that many bad AI features now, they've signalled their intent for Firefox to become an "AI browser". I don't know what they mean by that, but I know I don't want it. The chat bot sidebar is surely just the beginning. It's primarily in response to the backlash from people who don't want an "AI browser" that they're promising a kill switch. But I don't want to…

Because people like chat bot sidebars. My code editor has a built-in chat bot sidebar that I use every day. It's not a huge stretch that people who use chatbot sidebars in other applications would also want one in their browser. ChatGPT is the #6 most popular website in the world, why wouldn't a browser want tighter integration with such a popular kind of service?

Should Firefox build in a separate side bar for every popular website? Would you want a Facebook side bar and Facebook account integration?

I wouldn't.

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