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Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by axx »

georgespencer wrote: post #164
axx wrote: post #30

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Don't tell us about "false marketing" on amazons side. Did you notice how Phil Schiller showed the iMac on Stage? He always talked about how thin it is and how incredible but he never showed the thicker part of the iMac. Also noticed that Apple ALWAYS showed every iMac from the side on there website? Since the new iMac, there is only a 20° angle to the iMac, so you can only see the thin border, but not the thicker pa…

Dude, be civil. > Don't tell us about "false marketing" on amazons side. Why not? I thought it was interesting. > Did you notice how Phil Schiller showed the iMac on Stage? Yep! I didn't think it was especially relevant in the discussion thread for a story about Amazon marketing the Kindle Fire, though... > He always talked about how thin it is and how incredible but he never showed the thicker part of the iMac. He d…

i should have added a smile to the last sentence. Wasn't meant to offend you!

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by brudgers »

nsxwolf wrote: post #74
neya wrote: post #50

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I recently read an article on HN wherein a user posted asking all of us to be 'civil'. This is the reason why HN isn't so civil. You like a product, you try to support as if you created it and as if the company cares for you, while in reality the company doesn't care about you and you're just doing free marketing for them. Not to say that you can't defend what you like, but most of what you've written here is very ve…

I thought the tone of georgespencer's post was perfectly reasonable. Your post represents a tonal shift into the negative. Please people, let's not turn HN into MacRumors forums (shudder)

The original post fails to frame its comments within the context of advertising in general and Apple's advertising campaigns specifically.

Advertising is intended to create the perception of differentiation. The bar for accuracy is pretty low, not quite caveat emptor but very nearly so. Tablets have become a commodity, and Amazon is no more disingenuous than a one would find in a campaign where two brands of mid-sized sedans are compared.

It is certainly no less truthful than claims that a device is "magical," nor more disingenuous than comparisons between "Macs and PC's".

The original post's moral outrage simply is not justified to the degree it purports to be unbiased because it is structured as a point by point refutation. It justifies the thesis (of disingenuousness) rather than concluding it to be the case after thoughtful analysis.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by podperson »

droithomme wrote: post #174
ChrisClark wrote: post #149

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Though now with the 32GB at the old 16GB price it's an even better deal, advertised at $249 or $275 in the end, either way it's a great price. Edit: Wait, you say the 8GB $199 is close to $250 after shipping, but the 16GB is $275 including shipping? Which is it? Either shipping is close to $50 or $25 exactly. Seems like you are trying to stretch the facts to justify your purchase.

I hope he explains, I am having a hard time just now trying to find how someone would be able to spend $50 on shipping unless they were wanting to overnight it. I did notice that as of today 10/29 Nexus 7 prices/configurations have been updated, so it is now 16GB for $199 or the new 32GB for $249. The 8GB model is discontinued.

When I bought it (at launch) the 8GB model was just under $250 including shipping, and the 16GB model was $275. (I checked my receipt.) The prices have changed somewhat since then.

In any event, the $199 price struck me as highly misleading at the time.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by jmelloy »

Evbn wrote: post #177
rafkin98 wrote: post #162

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First of all, the whole "attack" starts with a Gizmodo quote. Nuff said. "They are very effectively competing in the market for tablets." Yep, it doesn't take a genius to sell anything at loss.

Amazon is a big company. Net loss overall doesn't mean the tablet is at a net loss.

Except for the part where they announced their margins on the tablet were at best razor thin.

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Post by podperson »

MattSayar wrote: post #146
podperson wrote: post #133

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The "brilliant" part was convincing people it was $199, whereas in fact it's pretty close to $250 after shipping. I ended up buying a 16GB model ($275 including shipping) because the price difference was so small.

Where does the extra $50 go for shipping?

I don't recall the details. It's not just shipping -- unlike Amazon, Google actually charges sales tax (not a criticism of Google btw -- I think Amazon's sales tax advantage is horribly unfair to other retailers). For the model I eventually did buy (16GB, which was at that time the top-of-the-line) I paid about $25 in shipping and tax.

What I can verify is that I paid $275.44 for a "$249" 16GB Nexus 7 whereas a Kindle Fire HD would actually be $199.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by esrauch »

melling wrote: post #55
duiker101 wrote: post #2

I believe that what Gizmodo says is actually true and something that Apple "forgot" to mention when comparing(highlight the "good" things while omitting all the other things) the Nexus 7 with their new iPad so I do not blame Amazon for pointing it out to a wider public. If Apple wants to play this game, they must be ready to get fought back. EDIT: also, I still have no idea why isn't that thing Retina. I mean, they h…

Air's aren't Retina. Mac Books aren't Retina. iMacs aren't Retina. In short, what you have posted is completely wrong. As for Amazon's ad, it doesn't really matter to me. Apple can deal with it. I'm not going to spend my morning debating it on HN. The one good thing about it is that Amazon wants to compete strongly for the tablet market. As a consumer of any "faith", this is good because it will create a technology r…

You can get Macbook Pros with retina displays now, which is what I assume you meant by Macbook since the Macbook-non-Pro line is discontinued.

Pedantry aside, I agree with you.

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Post by strager »

megablast wrote: post #180
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #62

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There are two other major reasons they'll have gone for the lower resolution: 1) Power consumption - the retina display drains a lot of power (and handling the higher resolution requires a better processor which contributes further). This means a bigger battery, which means a larger and heavier device which kind of goes against the point of the iPad mini. 2) Price - It seems that one of Apple's key business goals wit…

It also has the same DPI as the iPhone 3gs, so they can use the same screens, just cut to a bigger shape.

Does display manufacturing really work that way? Can you take an existing screen spec and scale it up?

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by frogpelt »

Spearchucker wrote: post #13

When you're a Microsoft, an Apple or a Google you have the money to create something truly epic - and none of them have. The Surface has great design, as do all of Apple's products. However the Surface, while having the potential for great software, comes with something not quite finished. So while it's eminently usable as it is, it falls short of greatness. The iPad Mini, similarly, has the quality one expects from…

Sure, they have the money to create something epic. But to build something epic and sell it for under $300 is taking a loss just for the epic-ness of it.

That is not how Apple, MS or Google got to where they are.

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