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Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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I have had the pleasure of riding a few times in SanFrancisco. The drive was delightful and felt really safe. It handled the SF terrain, traffic and mixed traffic like trams very well. I wouldnt trust a self driving tesla ( or any camera only systems) though!

Tesla doesnt have Lidar?

No. They don't even have radar, camera is all you need, as per Elon.

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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Interesting to see the cost curve drop ... this always changes the market. I have been watching the sensor space for a while. Cheap LIDAR units could open up weird DIY uses and not just cars. ALSO regulatory and mapping integration will matter. I tried to work with public datasets and it's messy. The hardware is only one part! BUT it's exciting to see multiple vendors in the space. Competition might push vendors to r…

> Cheap LIDAR units could open up weird DIY uses and not just cars.

Interestingly, there are already some comparatively cheap LIDAR units on the market.

In the automotive market, ideally you need a 200m+ range (or whatever the stopping distance of your vehicle is) and you need to operate in bright direct sunlight (good luck making an eye-safe laser that doesn't get washed out by the sun) and you need more than one scanning plane (for when the car goes over bumps).

On the other hand, for indoor robotics where a 10m range is enough and there's much less direct sunlight? Your local robotics stockist probably already has something <$400

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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Oh hell yeah, we can finally stop the braindead attempts to make a safe self-driving car with just cameras.

Yes, silly using just cameras, I mean humans have Lidar sensors, that why they can drive, why didn't new just copy that....oh wait.

It all seriousness though, Tesla are producing cyber cabs now which are 10th the price of Waymo's and can drive autonomously anywhere in the world. I think we can see where this is going. (Hint: not well for Waymo)

Also the article is speculative 'MicroVision says its sensor could one day break the $100 barrier'. One day...

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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The mind salivates at the idea of sub-$100 and soon after sub-$10 Lidar. We could build spatial awareness into damn near everything. It'll be a cambrian explosion of autonomous robots.

And, I guess, even more advanced surveillance.

LIDAR would be preferrable to cameras when it comes to privacy actually

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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I saw a Waymo in Seattle, today. If Waymo can get Seattle right, that gives me a lot of confidence that their stack is very capable of difficult road conditions. Note: I have not had the pleasure of riding in one yet, but from what my friend in SJ says, it’s very convenient and confidence-inspiring.

I have had the pleasure of riding a few times in SanFrancisco. The drive was delightful and felt really safe. It handled the SF terrain, traffic and mixed traffic like trams very well. I wouldnt trust a self driving tesla ( or any camera only systems) though!

Why wouldn't you trust a Telsa, millions of people let there Tesla drive them all over USA (not geofences like Waymo) without touching the wheel from parking spot to parking spot everyday. Have you tried it?

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, I guess, even more advanced surveillance.

LIDAR would be preferrable to cameras when it comes to privacy actually

I’d definitely feel much better if most cameras in the world were replaced by LIDAR. I feel like it would be much tougher to have a flawless facial recognition program with LIDAR alone

Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla doesnt have Lidar?

No. They don't even have radar, camera is all you need, as per Elon.

Even more fury-inducing, they don't even have ultrasonic parking sensors on cars that have ultrasonic parking sensors. They disabled them to move to a vision-only stack that is no where near as accurate or as good and which categorically cannot tell a difference in ground truth has occurred in its blind spot. But hey, all _people_ need are two cameras, right?
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