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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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#92There's a gap in the market here - not me but somebody needs to build an e-commerce bot and call it Santa Claws
Well now somebody will
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#93IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…
> the "policy people" will climb out of their holes
I am one of those people and I work at a FANG.
And while I know it seems annoying, these teams are overwhelmed with not only innovators but lawyers asking so many variations of the same question it's pretty hard to get back to the innovators with a thumbs up or guidance.
Also there is a real threat here. The "wiped my hard drive" story is annoying but it's a toy problem. An agent with database access exfiltrating customer PII to a model endpoint is a horrific outcome for impacted customers and everyone in the blast radius.
That's the kind of thing keeping us up at night, not blocking people for fun.
I'm actively trying to find a way we can unblock innovators to move quickly at scale, but it's a bit of a slow down to go fast moment. The goal isn't roadblocks, it's guardrails that let you move without the policy team being a bottleneck on every request.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#94Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.
Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…
I've been hoping one of them will be called Clod
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#95I don't understand the mac mini hype. Why can it not be a vm?
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#96Who is Andrej Karpathy?
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#97What is the benefit of a Mac mini for something like this?
It works and is plug and play. And can also work as a Mac. But getting in short supply since Apple hadn't planned for this new demand.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#98IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…
>IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone.
Isn't the whole selling point of OpenClaw that you give it valuable (personal) data to work on, which would typically also be processed by 3rd party LLMs?
The security and privacy implications are massive. The only way to use it "safely" is by not giving it much of value.
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#99The current hype around agentic workflows completely glosses over the fundamental security flaw in their architecture: unconstrained execution boundaries. Tools that eagerly load context and grant monolithic LLMs unrestricted shell access are trivial to compromise via indirect prompt injection.
If an agent is curling untrusted data while holding access to sensitive data or already has sensitive data loaded into its context window, arbitrary code execution isn't a theoretical risk; it's an inevitability.
As recent research on context pollution has shown, stuffing the context window with monolithic system prompts and tool schemas actively degrades the model's baseline reasoning capabilities, making it exponentially more vulnerable to these exact exploits.
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#100Does one really need to _buy_ a completely new desktop hardware (ie. mac mini) to _run_ a simple request/response program?
Excluding the fact that you can run LLMs via ollama or similar directly on the device, but that will not have a very good token/s speed as far as I can guess...