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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by aitchnyu »

mittermayr wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

There are lots of results for "host openclaw", some from VPS SEO spam, some from dedicated CaaS, some from PaaS. Many of them may be profitable.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by embedding-shape »

sa-code wrote: post #66
ggrab wrote: post #53

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

> every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way This is so relatable. I remember trying to set up an LLM gateway back in 2023. There were at least 3 different teams that blocked our rollout for months until they worked through their backlog. "We're blocking you, but you’ll have to chase and nag us for us to even consider unblocking you"…

To be fair, the alternative is them having to maintain and continuously check N services that various devs deployed because it felt appropriate in the moment, and then there is a 50/50 chance the service will just sit there unused and introduce new vulnerability vectors.

I do know the feeling you're talking about though, and probably a better balance is somewhere in the middle. Just wanted to add that the solution probably isn't "Let devs deploy their own services without review", just as the solution probably also isn't "Stop devs for 6 months to deploy services they need".

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by dakolli »

7777777phil wrote: post #20

Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by aaronrobinson »

ggrab wrote: post #53

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

It’s not to feel important, it’s to make others feel they’re important. This is the definition of corporate.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by huflungdung »

ggrab wrote: post #53

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by sunaookami »

9dev wrote: post #44
7777777phil wrote: post #20

Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…

The name fits since it will claw all your personal data and files and send them somewhere else.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by [deleted] »

tovej wrote: post #80

Ah yes, let's create an autonomic actor out of a nondeterministic system which can literally be hacked by giving it plaintext to read. Let's give that system access to important credentials letting it poop all over the internet. Completely safe and normal software engineering practice.

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by lysecret »

Im honestly not that much worried there are some obvious problems (exfiltrate data labeled as sensitive, take actions that are costly, delete/change sensitive resources) if you have a properly compliant infrastructure all these actions need confirmations logging etc. for humans this seemed more like a neusance but now it seems essential. And all these systems are actually much much easier to setup.
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