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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ljlolel »

codethief wrote: post #239
pembrook wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has largely been unchanged for 150 years. I really don't understand the recent outrage over these and other laws. We have been fine The last 150 years of Germany have...ahem...not been what I would call "fine." It would be interesting to have a replay of history without this law and similar ones related to it. Could be nothing different happens. On the other hand, any law regulating speech is going to have a reverb…

> The last 150 years of Germany have...ahem...not been what I would call "fine." But it's certainly not been because of that law… At the very least I'm sure you'll agree we've been fine the last 80 or so years. Again, I'm just saying I don't understand the outrage right now.

almost all communication was oral 20 years ago, now-- especially since covid -- it's almost all, even casual comments, through text messages which can easily be used in evidence

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by dmoy »

reactordev wrote: post #179
PenguinCoder wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the most well known, there are other points of presence doing the same thing. Easy and trivial to duplicate traffic at line speed. It doesn't affect the traffic flow itself.

They will never believe you until you show them and that requires a clearance.

A decent number of people reading this probably do have secret clearance. But that's not really the relevant point.

Simply having secret clearance doesn't mean you can just go digging around arbitrary secret classified info that you have no business reading. And it certainly doesn't mean that discussion can be had on hackernews.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Text-only, no Datadome Javascript, HTTPS optional:

https://assets.msn.com/content/view/v2/Detail/en-in/AA1WCCeV...

Simple HTML:

   { 
     x=AA1WCCeV
     ipv4=23.11.201.94 
     echo "";
     (printf '%s\r\n%s\r\n\r\n' \
     "GET /content/view/v2/Detail/en-in/$x HTTP/1.0" \
     'Host: assets.msn.com') \
     |nc -vvn $ipv4 80 |grep -o "
.*
"|tr -d '\134'
   } > 1.htm
   firefox ./1.htm

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by stinkbeetle »

touwer wrote: post #83
mlh496 wrote: post #64

Sad that western Europe is pushing so hard for limits to free speech & privacy. I'm not surprised given their history, but it's sad nonetheless.

It's not sad. It's smart to ban hate speech, blatant lies and things like that. We know, we had the Nazis. Seems the US still has to learn a lesson or two, considering the current political situation. Hope it will not be as bad

Is calling people nazis hate speech?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by sp527 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #249
jadenPete wrote: post #107

Then won’t foreign governments just ban freedom.gov? This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

Maybe that's the purpose? Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand. Also it is cheap, easy, non-controversial domestically in the US, and ethically coherent with American values.

> ethically coherent with American values

I'm a lifelong US citizen and burst out laughing at this. What values? What coherence?

Do you mean the NSA man-in-the-middleing all that traffic and leaving a backdoor for Mossad? Imagine the most despicable possible invasion of privacy and the most reprehensible shadow oppression and manipulation of an uneducated populace you can conjure up.

Now imagine something way worse than that. This is America.

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Post by Mtinie »

Aurornis wrote: post #173
reactordev wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a single data center, it’s about 200 of them.

Just minutes ago you said this: > Almost 80% of communications go through a data center in Northern VA Where are you getting this new 200 numbers? Share a source please.

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/dateline-ashburn-data-centers...

“Loudoun County currently has 199 data centers, with another 117 in development, according to Michael Turner, vice chair of the board of supervisors transportation and land use committee and Ashburn’s district supervisor.”

https://virginiabusiness.com/loudoun-county-advances-changes...

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by amarant »

pembrook wrote: post #252
amarant wrote: post #243

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Can we filter for current censorship? Hate to brake it to you but the top category in that page, "censorship in the soviet union" does not apply anymore.....

Spain 1) Catalan Referendum Website Seizures (2017) Spanish courts ordered ISPs to block dozens of pro-independence domains and mirror sites during the referendum. Civil Guard units physically entered data centers to seize servers tied to the Catalan government’s digital voting infrastructure. 2) GitHub Repository Takedown (2017) Spain obtained a court order forcing GitHub to remove a repository that mirrored referen…

Can you filter the ones that aren't obviously harmless like laws banning Nazi salutes or agitating violence against people based on race?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by carlosjobim »

sp527 wrote: post #265
carlosjobim wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's the purpose? Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand. Also it is cheap, easy, non-controversial domestically in the US, and ethically coherent with American values.

> ethically coherent with American values I'm a lifelong US citizen and burst out laughing at this. What values? What coherence? Do you mean the NSA man-in-the-middleing all that traffic and leaving a backdoor for Mossad? Imagine the most despicable possible invasion of privacy and the most reprehensible shadow oppression and manipulation of an uneducated populace you can conjure up. Now imagine something way worse t…

Freedom of speech. I didn't expect to have to spell it out.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by gpt5 »

tchalla wrote: post #208
gpt5 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. In Italy, people have faced criminal charges for simply criticizing the prime minister. When the government does not allow its population to freely speak against it, it's just waiting to be abused by one bad leader.

> Concrete examples - in Germany you are not allowed to insult politicians or the government in social media. Germany restricts insulting individuals / your neighbour, police officer, a pastor or a minister. There’s no special law for politicians. Political criticism is protected under the Basic Law (constitution). Go ahead and be crucial about a politician’s actions but don’t insult their person’s honour or use a sl…

Free speech in America is specifically about protecting you against the government. Your neighbor is still not allowed to defame you.
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