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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by amluto »

fumeux_fume wrote: post #739
nl wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason Google model usage on OpenRouter is so high - it's easier to pay the OpenRouter tax than it is to figure out how to pay Gemini directly.

Google is a cloud provider so API usage is funneled thru GCP. It's the same for Microsoft and Amazon.

By that logic, G Suite should be funneled through GCP.

Also, are you sure you meant to mention Microsoft? Microsoft has this Copilot thing that they will gladly sell you, with generally inoffensive commercial terms, through more channels than you can shake a stick at. Got a $4 GitHub for Teams subscription? Add $20 or so and you will be swimming in Copilot outputs, and all you have to do is check the checkbox.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by tempestn »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #642
bluegatty wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is very true and it speaks strongly to this wayward notion of 'models' - it depends so much on the tuning, the harness, the tools. I think it speaks to the broader notion of AGI as well. Claude is definitively trained on the process of coding not just the code, that much is clear. Codex has the same limitation but not quite as bad. This may be a result of Anthropic using 'user cues' with respect to what are…

Google are stuck because they have to compete with OpenAI. If they don’t, they face an existential threat to their advertising business. But then they leave the door open for Anthropic on coding, enterprise and agentic workflows. Sensibly, that’s what they seem to be doing. That said Gemini is noticeably worse than ChatGPT (it’s quite erratic) and Anthropic’s work on coding / reasoning seems to be filtering back to i…

In my experience Gemini 3.0 pro is noticeably better than chatgpt 5.2 for non-coding tasks. The latter gives me blatantly wrong information all the time, the former very rarely.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by holografix »

I think it begs the question:

Is Gemini meant to be be a revenue making product or strictly a cost centre to defend against Search and Ads erosion by OpenAI?

Why does the Gemini web app not support MCP Servers?

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by arcfour »

exabrial wrote: post #734

You know what would slay right now? A native app. Not another piece of Electron bloatware, a regular, efficient, fast, snappy, native, app. One that connects to my MCP severs and has local filesystem tools. Anthropic might fall behind Google/OpenAI eventually, but their Desktop App + MCP/Connectors is unbelievably useful to get real work done.

I haven't used Anthropic's desktop app in months since I don't have access to a Mac anymore, but when I did...it was just an electron app? Did something change?

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by lukebechtel »

sdeiley wrote: post #548

People underrate Google's cost effectiveness so much. Half price of Opus. HALF. Think about ANY other product and what you'd expect from the competition thats half the price. Yet people here act like Gemini is dead weight ____ Update: 3.1 was 40% of the cost to run AA index vs Opus Thinking AND SONNET, beat Opus, and still 30% faster for output speed. https://artificialanalysis.ai/?speed=intelligence-vs-speed&m...

sonnet 4.6 is a third, and equivalent to opus 4.5, which is enough for me usually :)

EDIT: Gemini does have 1m context for "free" though so that's great.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by acters »

spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

I have personally seen a rise of LLMs being too lazy to investigate or do some level of figuring out things on their own and just jump to conclusions and hope you tell them extra information even if it is something they can do on their own.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by SkyPuncher »

spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

I've had a similar experience. Gemini is superb at incredibly hard stuff, but falls apart on some of the most basic things (like tool calling).

They'd do well to make a "geminin-flash-lite-for-tools" that their pro model calls whenever it needs to do something simple.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by motoboi »

spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

gemini-cli being such a crap tells me that Google is not dogfooding it, because how else would they not have the RL trajectories to get a decent agent?

One thousand people using an agent over a month will generate like 30-60k good examples of tool use and nudge the model into good editing.

The only explanation I have is that Google is actually using something else internally.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by perardi »

arcfour wrote: post #744
exabrial wrote: post #734

You know what would slay right now? A native app. Not another piece of Electron bloatware, a regular, efficient, fast, snappy, native, app. One that connects to my MCP severs and has local filesystem tools. Anthropic might fall behind Google/OpenAI eventually, but their Desktop App + MCP/Connectors is unbelievably useful to get real work done.

I haven't used Anthropic's desktop app in months since I don't have access to a Mac anymore, but when I did...it was just an electron app? Did something change?

Nope. It is still Electron, and it is not snappy. And I am on an M3 Max MacBook Pro.

I have transitioned off ChatGPT for home use (Google provides me slightly better value in my personal life, as I can pay for a plan that also accommodates my weird photo storage needs) and it’s all Anthropic at work, but I miss the ChatGPT Mac app. I can’t say for certain if it was Electron or not—I never dug into the internals, and it felt very, very fast and “native”.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by motoboi »

ttul wrote: post #709

What I’m noticing, overall: I’ve never cut so much code in my life. I’ve become a coding monster with one of those dark green GitHub profiles ever since 5.3-Codex gave me the confidence to load in a ridiculous number of tasks every day and let it rip. I have about three coding tasks going at once and in another window, Claude Cowork is ripping through PowerPoints and getting back to lawyers. This tech is not going to…

There are thousands like you now. How many does it take to run the economy? What would the rest do.

Think of it like what a tractor did to agricultural work. The fist guy that used a tractor probably thought: this is not replacing me, I’m just much more productive. Well, turns out you only need one guy per farm now.

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