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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by koakuma-chan »

harrall wrote: post #702
frogperson wrote: post #697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google might be a mess now, but they have time. OpenAI and Anthropic are on barrowed time, Google has a built in money printer. They just need to outlast the others.

Plus they started making AI processors 11 years ago and invented the math behind “GPTs” 9 years ago. Gemini is way cheaper to run for them than it does for everyone else. I think Gemini is really built for their biggest market — Google Search. You ask questions and get answers. I’m sure they’ll figure out agentic flows. Google is always a mess when it comes to product. Don’t forget the Google chat sagas where it seem…

Who they? Do the engineers who actually did that work at Google still? I heard that the guy who made TPUs has his own startup now.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

bluegatty wrote: post #589
spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

Yes, this is very true and it speaks strongly to this wayward notion of 'models' - it depends so much on the tuning, the harness, the tools. I think it speaks to the broader notion of AGI as well. Claude is definitively trained on the process of coding not just the code, that much is clear. Codex has the same limitation but not quite as bad. This may be a result of Anthropic using 'user cues' with respect to what are…

> Claude is definitively trained on the process of coding not just the code, that much is clear.

Nuance like this is why I don’t trust quantitative benchmarks.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by tom_m »

spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

3.0 pro is fantastic. Can't wait for 3.1. and no I'm not solely a user of Gemini, I also love Opus. I just end up using 3.0 pro more.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by exabrial »

You know what would slay right now? A native app.

Not another piece of Electron bloatware, a regular, efficient, fast, snappy, native, app. One that connects to my MCP severs and has local filesystem tools.

Anthropic might fall behind Google/OpenAI eventually, but their Desktop App + MCP/Connectors is unbelievably useful to get real work done.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by infinitewars »

I find Gemini is great at generating code that is relatively common on the internet, especially web and algorithms. It is absolutely better at this then OpenAI's models. But Gemini is not as good at reasoning about problems from first principles, or catching subtle bugs. In some ways it is just a better Google that finds exactly what you want, less a general intelligence.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

mikestorrent wrote: post #684
fragmede wrote: post #659

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If that's what you're after, tou MITM it and setup a proxy so Claude Code or whatever sends to your program, and then that program forwards it to Anthropics's server (or whomever). That way, you get everything .

I'm aware that this is possible, and thank you for the suggestion, but surely you can see that it's a relatively large lift; may not work in controlled enterprise environments; and compared to just right click -> view source it's basically inaccessible to anyone who might have wanted to dabble.

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Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by gavmor »

karmasimida wrote: post #362
spankalee wrote: post #199

I hope this works better than 3.0 Pro I'm a former Googler and know some people near the team, so I mildly root for them to at least do well, but Gemini is consistently the most frustrating model I've used for development. It's stunningly good at reasoning, design, and generating the raw code, but it just falls over a lot when actually trying to get things done, especially compared to Claude Opus. Within VS Code Copi…

Gemini just doesn’t do even mildly well in agentic stuff and I don’t know why. OpenAI has mostly caught up with Claude in agentic stuff, but Google needs to be there and be there quickly

I've had plenty of success with skills juggling various entities via CLI.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by fumeux_fume »

nl wrote: post #653
amluto wrote: post #532

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Now compare the monthly plans for business users who want the CLI agent but who don’t want the models trained on their data. OpenAI: no big deal — sign up, pick your number of seats, and you’re all set. Anthropic: also no big deal but there’s an obnoxious minimum purchase. Google: first you have to try to figure out what the product is called. Then you need to figure out how to set the correct IAM rules. Then you hav…

There's a reason Google model usage on OpenRouter is so high - it's easier to pay the OpenRouter tax than it is to figure out how to pay Gemini directly.

Google is a cloud provider so API usage is funneled thru GCP. It's the same for Microsoft and Amazon.

Re: Gemini 3.1 Pro

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Post by spyckie2 »

seg_lol wrote: post #719
frogperson wrote: post #697

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Google might be a mess now, but they have time. OpenAI and Anthropic are on barrowed time, Google has a built in money printer. They just need to outlast the others.

They have much much less time than one would think. Their ads business is about to go into freefall, this will cause the whole company to spiral.

I mean their ads business just broke $80b per quarter, not sure where this idea is coming from...
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